Hi Group:
A review of recent posts reveals that most of us currently participating in the
discussion are believers in a reality “out there,” independent of us. The nature
of this transcendent reality varies:
To Ken Clark it’s a “function” or “process.”
To Jonathan Marder it’s “forces.”
To David Lind it’s “too big” for us to understand.
To Matt Coughlan it’s “spiritual” or “Mu.”
Whatever it’s nature, most seem to agree with Justin Binktmons who wrote
that there is “… a distinction between Reality and the mind’s perception of
reality.”
As to the question of whether patterns also exist “out there,” there’s some
disagreement.
Matt Ketchum says, “We experience patterns of value then construct more
patterns of value to explain them.”
Peter Lennox says, “… the patterns we perceive are subjective impressions
of some other, objective reality.”
David Buchanan says, “… every sort of static quality has subjectivity AND
objectivity simultaneously.”
But at least three of us believe there is no reality (or patterns) “out there”
independent of us:
Roger says, “… reality or experience exists, but it by no means is
independent of us.”
Horse says, “We are created by reality as much as we create it.”
I say, “Mine is the only world.”
My reasoning:
Reality is experience;
There never was, is, or will be any experience other than present experience;
The only present experience I know is mine.
As yet we haven’t heard definitively from Pirsig on the subject – or so it
would seem.
Platt
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