Sir, you wrote,
----- Original Message -----
From: B. Skutvik <skutvik@online.no>
To: <moq_discuss@moq.org>
Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2000 3:23 PM
Subject: MD Memetics
> Kenneth Van Oost
> and MoQ Discussers
>
> It is difficult to comment on your memetics introduction without
> sounding like one sectarian hitting another over the head with his
> Bible, but you throw in a 'quality' here and a 'level' there as if
> these terms from the MOQ have some role in the memetics theory
> although in a more secondary sense. But this is turning things
> upside down, the meme notion have some MOQ may have some
> MOQ relevance, but let me try to explain.
<< I do appreciate your honesty, but don 't get me wrong here. It is and
was never my intention to hurt anyone in his/ hers beliefs.
I was just aiming at an understanding, a join venture between two models
in seeing reality. I believe, still, that MOQ and Memetics have tangent
planes. And no, MOQ have no second role in the memetics theory, for all
I know, I am the first who tries to make a link...a Quality connection be-
tween two different models. For all I know, nobody talked about Quality,
Pirsig or the Moq on the Memetics discussion list...
And please, Memetics is not my Bible, and yes, I did throw some Q there
and some L there, why not !? Those were new terms, new ways in order
to describe the nature of the memes_ I do use Quality if I see it, though !
And, by the way, I never claimed my theory is exactly what Pirsig says,
and I never will for that matter.
I repeat, my only goal is to test what I wrote against another way of
thinking, I found in that regard many threads about solipsism on this
list. Do you tell me that I got it all wrong !?
I think you look to much on the meme- issue, where in my opinion you
have to look upon the solipsism stance. That is what interests me, are
memes solipsistic in nature !?
Yes, ok, tell me more !
No, tell me why !
And if this issue has any relevance towards what Pirsig said well enjoy the
ride. And yes, there is nothing but MEMES, in the end. And yes, your
remark about Dynamic Memes is noted as interesting enough to take in
account for further thought.
And, yes, your post did gave me the creeps, it was my worst fear that
somehow my request would be not accepted by MOQ adherents.
And yes, Memetics may be one step behind the Moq and maby three and
it may be a thousand steps more_but have you any idea how your Quality is
expressed !? I presume Pirsig wrote words, made up sentences !?
What are they, pure and simply Quality !? Maybe, but please without
any word describing Quality there is none. And in that regard I use the
notion of the meme, I use the notion of the Meme to describe the Intel-
lect, to desrcibe Quality.
And in that respect, Behind the Quality there is always a pattern of Intel-
lect and in order to see, to describe the patterns you need words and
to use the words properly you have to have an Intellect and in order to
have an Intellect you have to have some patterns of Quality... I don 't
know how you call them, but for I call them Memes.
Lets work together...Discuss the matter !!
It can only give Quality...
PS, Dawkins, for all I know, never takes part in any discussion about his
idea.
Many regards,
Kenneth
( I am, because we are) once seeking new ideas
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