Hello everyone
Roger wrote:
ROG:
I am not following you. I am unable to understand the above meme and
therefore unable to adopt (copy) it without serious adaptation
(variation
leading to evolution or devolution) I am trying to illustrate what a
meme is
even in my confusion on your objection. Could you please clarify the
above
meme?
Hi Roger
If we equate memes with patterns of value, then all four levels "have"
memes, but the lower level memes are separated from intellect by the
social level, thus we are unaware of them. Let's dwell on copying for a
minute. We know the copy is not the original; a copy can never be
exactly identical. Where did the copy come from? And how close to the
original does it have to be to be considered a copy? I hear a story and
when I go to retell it, I cannot remember just exactly how it went so
maybe I embellish a little here and a little there. Is it a copy? Are
there any totally original thoughts at all?
Rog:
You are making memes into something mysterious and ....weird. Memes are
patterns derived from direct experience that can be copied, stored,
transmitted, and adapted. "Mary had a little lamb" is a pattern that is
easy
to whistle or play on an instrument.
Dan:
Why is the image of self mysterious and ...weird? Perhaps Bo's SOLAQI
idea is a better analogy (though I suppose the image of self is
mysterious and weird when you come right down to it). The image of self
as existing separately apart from a world of objects is just what SOLAQI
points to.
Your direct experience is an old stumbling block of ours. Experience can
be copied. Direct experience cannot. Experience is static, filled with
patterns of value. Direct experience is Dynamic and there is nothing at
all to be said of it. The second one utters a sound or sees a sight or
feels a touch or sniffs an odor or tastes a taste the unbroken unity is
sundered. Each of those are copies of reality and not reality itself.
If you also want to call those patterns memes, then that is fine.
Dan
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