Peter,
I think there's a world of difference between recognizing a pattern
and the aesthetic experience. My 8-year old grandson can draw a
recognizable pattern of a haystack. So did Monet. But what a
difference.
What's more, no one can explain the difference. It has to be seen
to be understood.
Quality (pure experience) both precedes and supercedes our
patterning abilities which, I agree, is basically what humans do.
Art connects us to the pre-patterned, Quality world. That's its
attraction.
Platt
> Platt,
> I think there is a world of difference between sending a message, and
> receiving one. Art always allowed people the latter; it's when it tries to
> do the former that it becomes propaganda, and is correspondingly diminished.
> Receiving a message only requires the ability of 'pattern-recognition'
> (which, from recent posts, is sometimes thought of as 'pattern-imposition').
> Pattern-recognition IS perception, IS intelligence, IS what humans do. Full
> stop.
> cheers
> ppl
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Platt Holden" <pholden@cbvnol.net>
> To: <moq_discuss@moq.org>
> Sent: 19 November 2000 17:10
> Subject: MD Intellect vs. Aesthetics
>
>
> Greetings Philosophers:
>
> The Sunday New York Times usually has one or two articles
> relevant to the MOQ. Today was no exception.
>
> In the Books section was a review of the collected essays of
> dance critic Arlene Croce who wrote for the New Yorker magazine
> and considered to be the "pre-eminent dance critic of her
> generation."
>
> The reviewer writes: "She is a classicist who believe that great art
> is not about ideas, but beauty. The whole of her anti-ideology can
> be found in a deceptively casual remark she slipped into a 1975
> review of New York City Ballet's Ravel festival:
>
> "The audience for the Ravel festival probably included a lot of
> people who prefer acting to dancing - who like ballets that make
> you think. I never saw a good ballet that made me think."
>
> The reviewer continued: "This lethal two-liner was self-evidently
> intended to enrage those painfully earnest modern-dance buffs
> who believe that art is valuable only to the extent that it makes the
> world a cleaner, better-lighted place. For those who thought
> otherwise - who believed, like Greenberg and Croce, in art for
> pleasure's sake - it was both electrifying and liberating to see
> such cheeky words in print."
>
> Much of postmodern art is art with a message. Applying the MOQ
> structure, we see the intellect attempting to "devour" the higher
> aesthetic level with politically correct ideas, just as it attacked the
> lower social level with programs and plans.
>
> This battle is of fairly recent vintage. Before the 70s, art was
> generally held to be above the word, illustrated by movie mogul
> Jack Warner's famous reply when asked to OK a script with an
> ideological slant: "If you want to send a message, send a
> telegram."
>
> Now art is all about sending messages, usually about some
> victim or other. In other words, art has become propaganda.
>
> Oh, those intellectuals. You gotta watch 'em every moment.
>
> Platt
>
>
>
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