hi, Platt;
I'm not sure that I would categorically go along with the notion that the
difference amounts to a completely different thing. I tend to think of
"nested patterns", rather like gestalts, and so I would have stated the
difference in terms of the aesthetic experience being a 'higher order' (in
terms of complexity) type of pattern-recognition. As I understand it, you're
saying that Quality is of a higher order than patterns, that Quality in it's
purest form is essentially undifferentiated; is my understanding correct?
cheers
ppl
----- Original Message -----
From: "Platt Holden" <pholden@cbvnol.net>
To: <moq_discuss@moq.org>
Sent: 20 November 2000 14:51
Subject: Re: MD Intellect vs. Aesthetics
> Peter,
> I think there's a world of difference between recognizing a pattern
> and the aesthetic experience. My 8-year old grandson can draw a
> recognizable pattern of a haystack. So did Monet. But what a
> difference.
>
> What's more, no one can explain the difference. It has to be seen
> to be understood.
>
> Quality (pure experience) both precedes and supercedes our
> patterning abilities which, I agree, is basically what humans do.
> Art connects us to the pre-patterned, Quality world. That's its
> attraction.
> Platt
>
>
> > Platt,
> > I think there is a world of difference between sending a message, and
> > receiving one. Art always allowed people the latter; it's when it tries
to
> > do the former that it becomes propaganda, and is correspondingly
diminished.
> > Receiving a message only requires the ability of 'pattern-recognition'
> > (which, from recent posts, is sometimes thought of as
'pattern-imposition').
> > Pattern-recognition IS perception, IS intelligence, IS what humans do.
Full
> > stop.
> > cheers
> > ppl
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Platt Holden" <pholden@cbvnol.net>
> > To: <moq_discuss@moq.org>
> > Sent: 19 November 2000 17:10
> > Subject: MD Intellect vs. Aesthetics
> >
> >
> > Greetings Philosophers:
> >
> > The Sunday New York Times usually has one or two articles
> > relevant to the MOQ. Today was no exception.
> >
> > In the Books section was a review of the collected essays of
> > dance critic Arlene Croce who wrote for the New Yorker magazine
> > and considered to be the "pre-eminent dance critic of her
> > generation."
> >
> > The reviewer writes: "She is a classicist who believe that great art
> > is not about ideas, but beauty. The whole of her anti-ideology can
> > be found in a deceptively casual remark she slipped into a 1975
> > review of New York City Ballet's Ravel festival:
> >
> > "The audience for the Ravel festival probably included a lot of
> > people who prefer acting to dancing - who like ballets that make
> > you think. I never saw a good ballet that made me think."
> >
> > The reviewer continued: "This lethal two-liner was self-evidently
> > intended to enrage those painfully earnest modern-dance buffs
> > who believe that art is valuable only to the extent that it makes the
> > world a cleaner, better-lighted place. For those who thought
> > otherwise - who believed, like Greenberg and Croce, in art for
> > pleasure's sake - it was both electrifying and liberating to see
> > such cheeky words in print."
> >
> > Much of postmodern art is art with a message. Applying the MOQ
> > structure, we see the intellect attempting to "devour" the higher
> > aesthetic level with politically correct ideas, just as it attacked the
> > lower social level with programs and plans.
> >
> > This battle is of fairly recent vintage. Before the 70s, art was
> > generally held to be above the word, illustrated by movie mogul
> > Jack Warner's famous reply when asked to OK a script with an
> > ideological slant: "If you want to send a message, send a
> > telegram."
> >
> > Now art is all about sending messages, usually about some
> > victim or other. In other words, art has become propaganda.
> >
> > Oh, those intellectuals. You gotta watch 'em every moment.
> >
> > Platt
> >
> >
> >
> >
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