Hello everyone
> Marco wrote:
>
> Roger, Dan
>
>
> (sorry for my delay, Roger, but I'm so busy.....)
>
>
> I noticed that the problem of defining patterns in levels is not still
> solved. IMO, in order to solve it, we must distinguish patterns from
> .... "individuals" or "things", or "entities".
>
> Dan:
> > The problem in defining patterns of value is that they operate on
> all
> > four levels simultaneously.
Marco:
> I don't agree. Patterns are not "existing things". (I'm not a pattern,
> I'm an entity, that is a mix of different patterns. Every pattern is
> "active" at one precise level, while every entity interacts with the
> environment following different behaviors which are explained
> by patterns.
>
> Bo provided a good example some month ago, talking about the
> Leonardo's Monna Lisa, which can be considered Inorganic, Biologic,
> Social or Intellectual:
>
>
> Bo (19 Jan 2000 to MF):
> > If freezing to death Leonardo's Mona Lisa is valuable as fuel for a
> fire that may
> > save one's biological self. Afterwards when safe the social self
> will
> > grit its teeth when thinking about what that painting could have
> > brought of money or fame. The intellectual self may deem Leonardo
> > a kitsch painter and thus influence the social reality.
>
> You can't say that a picture painted, for example, on a wooden frame,
> IS intellectual. The picture is an entity which is able to interact
> with the environment according to patterns of behavior. It can burn
> like every wooden slice; it saves a termite's life; it can be socially
> valuable (in US$); and it can communicate the author's thought. This
> to say that we can't objectively argue that something IS a pattern, we
> must always consider its interaction with everything else. Patterns
> describe interactions (quality events), not statuses.
Hi Marco!
I've read your post over several times now yet I really fail to see
where our disagreement is. In my quote above there is nothing there
about patterns of value being "existing things" and Phaedrus is quite
specific about man being the patterns in Lila. Furthermore, aren't you
substantiating my quote above when you state all the different values
residing in a painted picture on a wooden frame, SIMULTANEOUSLY? Isn't
Bo also saying the same thing that I am?
Hmmm.
Dan
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