Hello Dan, hello all,
I have read an article about the same issue this evening, I guess. And to me too
it appeared to be the 'memes' that could be seen in the whales singing. What was
so obviously astonishing, was the fact how fast the new singing spread in
between a whole population, just like a new madonna-song or whatever is
spreading all over the world soon. ;-)
Dan wrote:
> Researchers have observed what they term a "compelling" change in whale
> songs and often times we can see more clearly in other species our own
> cognition traits which have been covered over in complexity. Is a whale
> song to be considered a meme? If so, how are animal memes different than
> human memes? Is there a fundamental difference? Or do they share
> historical evolutionary processes, as the MOQ would seem to claim?
>
> I would suggest the whale song (our interpretation of) is in response to
> preconditioned values the whales are experiencing in the context of
> being whales. They like the new song and discover themselves singing
> along much in the same way we humans do. The intellect demands a reason
> for the song yet Dynamic Quality is beyond reason and all life shares in
> "it". There is no reason. It's like trying to figure out what the
> pursuit of happiness means. There is no set answer. The whale song is
> the whales response to Dynamic Quality. They are compelled by "it" just
> as we are.
Yes this is for me also DQ at work. I guess we and also many animals have this
predisposition to something new or at least a change and a tendency to avoid
constant situations
>
> So my conclusion in light of the MOQ is we cannot consider memes as
> independent entities. Memes are like cogs in an endless spiraling wheel
> of Quality; fleeting patterns of value that arise from nowhere, flourish
> while they may then disappear like the frost on the grass in the early
> morning sunshine, yet we are compelled by them (the traces of DQ) and
> feel a compulsion to make the patterns of value real. Still, in no way
> should patterns of value be looked at as merely an illusion either.
> Reality is composed of patterns of values, and that's all there is,
> except for undefined Dynamic Quality.
but I have not yet found out what exactly is a meme, how can it be an
independent entity? Is it spreading, say, just like a virus, having a life on
their own?
> I still sense discordance between the MOQ and memetic theory in general
> and welcome any comments anyone might have.
> Thanks for reading.
>
> Dan
Discordance? Hmm, maybe Kenneth can give us a thought, concerning this specific
example.
I have another, which I remember right now. I was watching the clear sky, the
sun starting to disappear over the 'Baunsberg' (A small mountain, when looking
out of my window) and several swarms of wild gooses heading for 'vacation'. I
was wondering if it is also the memes, that make them flying almost synchronous?
It is always amazing to watch them!
Thanks for taking the time,
Regards to all,
JoVo
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