--On Saturday, December 02, 2000 3:18 PM -0800 Charles Williamson
<journeyman_5150@yahoo.com> wrote:rr
How does one define
> degeneracy? Why does Dynamic Quality lead to it?
In terms of the MOQ, I would say that degeneracy is the backward path
throught the MOQ hierarchy, that is moving from higher levels of static
Quality to lower which completely goes against the ideas set about of
morality(something is moral if it favors the evolution of the higher
level). It would be unfair to say that Dynamic Quality leads to
degeneracy. Both static and dynamic depend on eachother and cannot exist
without eachother in an evolving society. As Pirsig points out, when
Dynamic Quality is pursued, it must be coupled with "static latching" for
it to succeed. Idealism is great and is absolutely necessary. It must,
however, have some sort of grounding in reason to maintain itself. One
could say that Dynamic Quality is like a newborn baby. It cannot survive
on its own from the start. It must first go through a period of care,
nurturing, and nourishment before it can makes its way in the world.
Here's another analogue. Experimentation with psychadelic drugs is in my
opinion a great thing. It opens so many doors of perception and lets us
see the true beauty of everything around us. So one can say fine, this is
so great, I want to stay like this forever, and so they become fiends and
exist in a state separate from the rest of us and have their experiences,
and see their visions but they have left us behind and the two worlds
cannot merge to gain from eachother. On the other hand, I'm sure we have
all heard of people having a transcendent experiences in one or two
isolated uses of the drug, who go on to see the regular world in a much
more enlightened state and who teach others the lessons they have learned
and in turn moved the whole static structure up(even just a little bit)
from Dynamic Quality which had static latching.
I hope this is somewhat coherent, I just got up.
Take care all,
Seth
Or, does the level of desire for
> Dynamic Quality remain constant as higher and higher
> levels of static quality are achieved, meaning that
> the higher levels of static quality we achieve, the
> more we tend to devolve into a degenerative state?
> More needs to be said about dynamic quality and its
> implications for all of us, so that we may figure out
> the implications of avoiding degeneracy.
> By the way, I am assuming that it is desirable to
> avoid degeneracy, because by definition it leads to
> lower levels of static quality. Unless of course
> someone is willing to take the position that people
> are willing to accept lower levels of static quality
> for whatever reasons. Either way, I invite discussion
> into this topic.
>
> Thanks,
> Charles
>
>
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