----- Original Message -----
From: Dan Glover <DGlover@centurytel.net>
To: <moq_discuss@moq.org>
Sent: Monday, November 27, 2000 5:47 AM
Subject: Re: MD Re:MEMES
> The intellect (and though we are talking of intellect as if it is
> separate from us it's not) seeks freedom from social patterns of value;
> of being told how things are and what to do. There is no ignoring
> society for any of us who are part of it and our being here in this
> discussion group in the first place assures we are all part of society.
<< ok, Dan, yes but what if memes ( seen as part of the way which
Intellect uses to gets its way) are " directing " us in that manner !?
That is, what if non- members are not so assured of their part of
society !? That is, do we know this as a fact...I wonder from a meme-
tisist point of view that is....
Just a thought....
> > Richard:
> > Society only has CERTAIN power. It has power over parts of the economy,
it has power at election time (well, it still has SOME power, it would seem
that the intellectual courts are stomping all over that too now!! :o) ) but
aside from that, society has very little power (at least compared to 50,
100, 200 years ago. The balance of power is shifting from society to
intellect (law courts, politics and trade) so while I concede that society
has SOME power, I seriously doubt it's as much as you seem to think.
Ok, Richard, Intellect stomps over Society faster and faster. That is,
Society
(seen as the sum of all the individuals) is indeed lacking powers to
opposite
Intellect.
1_ that is due to the Intellect itself, that is memes of stupidity has taken
over,
that is Intellect on an Individual level has left us ! We on this list have
not
lost it ! Why !?
Why do we think that !?
Do we place ourselves above Society, if yes, WHY !?
If not, why is it than possible that we act/ behave/ think and move in the
way we do upon this list !?
Why should Intellect in the first allow our existence....?
2_ that is due to Society, that is, in Society there are other than
Intellect
powers at work which are destroying Society from within !?
Ok, which ones, and why !?
How come that Intellect seems to be quiet about that fact, I just mentioned
it here, is it an Intellect trick, a less confrontational route ?
If Intellect, as you claim, is so clever in making up ways, to opposite
Society
why is she doing it so behind Society 's back ? What is Intellect afraid of
?
Of Society ?
Society has a little bit of power left, so what is the point of Intellect of
being so
underhand ? What is her hidding agenda if not taking over Society completely
?
What can Intellect do more ?
Like Danila Oder said, Intellect can not break free [ by the way as a meme-
tisist I think it can, but that is another discussion ], what would be her
goal ?
IMO, there will be always people around who will oppose Intellect as des-
cribed in your posts and who will at the same time see the dangers for So-
ciety. Or do you expect that Intellect will have than found a manner to dis-
pose of them...if that is the case you come close to that selfish nature of
memes/ thoughts...
> > Dan:
> > in the States the revenge factor overrides. Take Ted Bundy, for
instance. Rather than studying this man to try and determine why he was like
he was, society executed him summarily. Richard Speck... another example,
only he was left to his own recourses in prison where he quote "had the time
of my life." Granted, these men are extreme cases, but in neither case was
society served in the best possible way; by performing psychological studies
perhaps some commonality could be derived and a rehabilitation program that
really works may have resulted? Who can say?
<<Richard, I think Dan got a point here !!
If Intellect ignores Society it would do nothing for Ted Bundy. On the
contrary,
Intellect like it did, would give Bundy an extreme advantage, his Intellect.
In this manner Intellect did opposes Society by Bundy's deeds...
On the other hand, and I don 't see myself here as ' Intellect ', Intellect
is
able, is willing to set up help programs for delinquents.
One of those is computer technology, ( the Holodeck technology I did
mention before) by which a criminal has access to a virtual world wherein
he/ she can behave as he/ she pleases. No harm done to Society, where is the
point of Intellect here !?
Or it would be that Intellect along the way as mentioned above seeks out a
manner in order that Society takes one step back, that is for example, more
death penalties...!?
Best regards,
Kenneth
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