MD Value- distortion / social- relation- transfer/ To Johannes

From: Kenneth Van Oost (Kenneth.Van.Oost@village.uunet.be)
Date: Mon Dec 04 2000 - 11:21:04 GMT


Johannes, here as promised the extract...

                I will attempt to clearify some extreme situations of child- and sexual
abuse, victimization, sexual exploitation, violence and systematic rape on the
basis of by Dr. Jesserun coined idea of a Social- relation- Tranfer.
Especially in South- Africa is the situation so serious that we can easily say it
is of epidemic proportions. As far as today the authorities aren 't capable to see
throught the issue. Forced by its size and also by the fact that noone and any
social class escapes from its powers, only at the local level there was made
some progress. The problem is so vast, is so profound, touches so many people
that indeed we can ask the question if childabuse, -rape and -muder (as precise
that) do increase or that by circumstances the regulation / the memetic field to
avoid childabuse, sexual exploitation, violence, muder and incest didn 't cross the
bounderie of what is needed and of what is acceptable and ought to be !?
Is there talk of some Social- Relation- Tranfer !?

In the concept of the memetic definition given by Dawkins it means that in analogy
with our genes that ideas/ dispositions/ opinions/ experiences/ laws etc are
stuck against/ to the bounderies of their proper construct, they are restricted to the
intellectual position of the memetic/ Quality field to which they appeal.
In memetic terms, it is a bounderie which memes do not cross_the outlines are
stipulated by other meme- complexes which might exist within othere memetic-
structures which are not strong enough to be replicated_ we are lacking some
fundamental memetic/ Quality insight to take acceptance of child- and toddlre-
abuse to a higher intellectual standard to regulate them.

Did the violence cross the outskirts of its own social perception, and are sexual
exploitation, muder and incest now not to be found upon an acceptable social
level !?
If indeed they are, than the reason why depends upon the memetical and La-
marckian ommipresence of the violence, of the disagreement_ of the need, the
strive to rape, to commit murder, to exploite people sexually, to be incestuous
and the memetical/ Qualitative need, strive to mistreat toddlers and children.

Thus the more ( and faster), in the case ( the memes/ the Quality) of violence
is (are) added into the already inclosed and disabled of South- Africa, the more
( creative and faster) memetic/ Qualitative ( social) patterns, as a result of
speedin' up of a actor ( imitation/ repetition) are capable to developed themsel-
ves into new habits.

So, the more the Qualitative forms under which violence is present in the society
of South- Africa, how creative man becomes to take violence into action, how
faster the ( memetic) forms are replicated and do become new forms of social
intercourse.

                            The history of South- Africa points out just that.
It is clear that the the notorious system of Apartheid did stir up the violent resis-
tence of the coloured population.
Why should the fundamental principle of self- preservation and the principle
towards ( social) survival not take care of itsown by combining the violence into
a structure of consciousness, then a memeplex of Quality, by which the orga-
nism ( here the individual) with the passin' of time should accept violence as a
social/ aesthetical/ memetical/ Qualitative trait !?
Why should the principle not developed ( more creative) traits wherein humans
take up ( faster) the weapens of violence to settle their differents !?

This is very likely to happen, the violence, the strives towards murder, the into-
lerance, the disagreement, the discrimination, the seperation, the hate, the pain,
the sarrow, the agression,...should increase and continually become faster and
faster_ out of disappointment, due to frustration, untold misery, pain and sarros,
due to the knowing/ to the realisation that nothing can be done without violence
it is possible that the pattern, the Qualitative form, the memetical appeal of
violence developed itself more and still faster, into a social trait.

I mean by all this, that mostly man in South-Africa which lived in an abnormal
country in an abnormal time have in fact no choise.
Everything in those days was settled by violence, rape and murder.
That became an inherited and evolutionary trait/ habit.
See the time needed for that, between 1945 when Apartheid was confirmed as
the political system and say 1990, there are about 3 generations, in my book it
is perfectly possible that it happened that way_ Lamarckian way that is.
South- Africa man, with no job, no house, no wife, no future, no money to spend
a few hours in the whorehouse became frustrated, rapin ' woman to satisfied their
needs was an option but not a very good one.
Those woman could talk, could resist, could get them in prison...the only solution
those man have, IMO of course were children, noone would believe them, they
were weak and little and vulnerable.
But of course, not only children were their victims, also adult woman and little
girls were raped and murdered. To get satisfied their needs noone was save...
Sexual violence is/ was in South- Africa a problem.
IMO, the restricting to rape, muder and commit incest was lost by adding great
proportions of violence into the society, it became in a sense a Qualitative trait
by which first like you mention a Value- distortion occured but also a social-
relation tranfer took place. That is violence became a cultural/ social trait which
became accepted in South- Africa but by which the laws of the country could not
held up. Therefor still man were punished and imprisoned.

Hope this helps, if you need more about this give me a sign...

Regards,

Kenneth

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