Hi ELE,
I don't know if I can give an answer to your questions.
1) You say that entropy does not get in the way of my thesis. Can you
please explain further your point?
2) You talk about "object" as something separate by conception.... of
course our knowledge of the inorganic level can't be separated by our
conception. It's like Danila's question:
"If a tree falls in a forest and no one hears it, is there a sound?"
Let's try to divide the phenomenon in
a. "sound as is"
b. "sound as we perceive it"
c. "sound as we know it"
Is a. existing? Is a. real? MU
IMO we can just "rebuild" a. from c. and b. That's like to say: for what we
know, it's arguable that in the forest there were the conditions by which it
would have been possible to perceive a sound. The c. point is always a
patterned simplification, and can't be exactly the "hardcopy" of a. However,
IMO even a. is, for what we know, a patterned behavior.
At the same way, it's very arguable that the light splitting happens
independently by the presence of a perceiver..... of course only the
presence of a perceiver make it possible the phenomenon as we perceive and
know it.
Let me know...
Marco
-----Messaggio Originale-----
Da: "PzEph" <etinarcardia@lineone.net>
A: <moq_discuss@moq.org>
Data invio: domenica 10 dicembre 2000 0.27
Oggetto: Re: MD Intellect and Art
> ELEPHANT TO MARCO AND ROG RE SIMPLIFYING EXPERIENCE:
>
> MARCO HAD WRITTEN:
> > The inorganic world also "simplifies experience" and
> > behaves according to patterns. But if you are using "life" also for the
> > inorganic level, we agree.
> >
> ROG WROTE:
> > I do not know of any examples that inorganic reality simplifies
experience.
> >
> MARCO WROTE:
> > IMO when an electron captures energy and performs a quantum leap, it
> > simplifies experience. IMO when light passes through a prism and splits
in
> > colors, it simplifies experience. "Experience" is simply interaction
within
> > an environment, and behavior is the answer to the experience. The
behavior
> > is always organized according to simple patterns, even at the inorganic
> > level.
>
> ELEPHANT:
> I wonder if the fact that entropy doesn't get in the way of your thesis
> about simplifying experience means that for you the simplification is
> performed by the conceiving of the object, not the object itself (where
> 'itself' is understood to be something separate from the conception).
> Anywhere near the mark?
>
>
> Pzeph.
>
>
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