Hi All
On 11 Dec 2000, at 18:48, PzEph wrote:
> ELEPHANT RETORTS:
> Perhaps one of the reasons why fuzzy logic can sometimes help us get by in
> the world is that the world isn't just our thought-of objects, but something
> (mystical) beyond them, and which provoked our thinking in the first place.
Sounds vaguely Popperian! The "world" contains objects AND thoughts of objects AND
mystical somethings beyond them, AND inorganic things before them etc. Or perhaps it's
more accurate to say that the world is both contained in these these things and these things
contain the world. I don't see that there is any problem with both views being correct
simultaneously. X contains Y and Y contains X.
> However, I think it is a mistake to think of the the fuzzy logic being a
> real logic, either of the mystical reality (because that doesn't contain the
> discrete objects which the fuzzy logic fuzzily relates), or of the
> objectified world.
Excuse me? Fuzzy logic isn't a real logic? What is it that constitutes real then? Obviously it
doesn't relate to mysticism as mysticism is not contained within Intellectual patterns of value
and fuzzy logic is an instance of these Intellectual patterns. Unless you're referring to the
objectified world in some special sense which I've missed then I fail to understand what you
mean when you say that fuzzy logic doesn't relate to the objectified world.
> The reason for my latter comment is that one thing Chris
> has right is that it is our wielding of dichotomies which makes such a world
> of objects possible, and a fuzzy dichotomy is a contradiction in terms.
Maybe you or Chris would elaborate further on this point. As far as I can see the world of
objects and the objectified world is contained/created by static patterns of Value - Intellectual
patterns of Value being one set of patterns. Fuzzy logic is one of a number of tools which
describes the world from an Intellectual viewpoint and provides the objectified world with a
richer set of rules with which to describe that world.
> As an afterthought, and to prevent you arguing that since fuzzy logic is really
> very practical we should think of it as true, I think you ought to
> acknowledge that fuzzy logic can make life more difficult as often as it
> makes it easier, more often in fact.
The practicality of Fuzzy Logic is not an indication of its truth value as there is no need to
think of it as either true or false - it is a valuable tool when used correctly, nothing more.
As I said in my last post Binary Logic (something is EITHER True OR False) is contained
within Fuzzy logic - True/False or 0/1 are the extremes - but fuzzy logic also introduces values
between True and False. I assume this is what Chris means by his statement:
"yes -- the excluded middle is more the realm of possibles than just 'null'."
I acknowledge that fuzzy logic introduces addition levels of complexity but I don't see how this
can be construed as making life more difficult - I would have thought that it shows that the
world is more complex than just a series of True OR False statements. It does mean that the
bipolar view is for most purposes an incorrect view based on an artificial premise thus
damaging the simplistic either/or view, but that's life :-)
Horse
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