ELEPHANT TO HORSE:
Trrrrrrmmmph.
HORSE TO ELEPHANT:
Neeeeigh.
ELEPHANT TO HORSE:
But seriously.....
>>> CHRIS WROTE:
>>> IOW the set of all possible expressions contains BOTH A and ~A. This is
>>> identifiable as a BOTH/AND state and from a LOCAL perspective
>>> cannot exist 'at the same time'.
>>>
>>> ELEPHANT REPLIED:
>>> Sorry, but "at the same time" *is* just what we mean by "local perspective":
>>> There is no local perspective *towards* "at the same time". That an object
>>> cannot be both F and ~F at the same time is something universally true.
>>>
>>> CHRIS RESPONDED:
>> Yes and no :-) It is our method of analysis that cannot cope with this in
>> that the F/~F exists as a set of potentials within the set of possible
>> expressions within a mode of interpretation.
>
> HORSE INTERJECTS:
> That something is both A AND ~A simultaneously is one of the fundamental
> principles of
> Fuzzy Logic/Thinking. The main problem with this occurs when we assume that
> the law of the
> excluded middle is in fact a law, when it is actually o more than an outdated
> and incorrect
> convention. Boolean/Bivalent logic stipulates that something is A or it is ~A
> but
> Fuzzy/Multivalent logic states that in the majority of "real world" cases it
> is normal for a "thing"
> to be BOTH A AND ~A. Bivalent (Either/Or) logic is shown to be no more than a
> subset of
> multivalent (Both/And) logic (Zadeh).
> The Staitc Levels are a reasonable case in point.
ELEPHANT RETORTS:
Perhaps one of the reasons why fuzzy logic can sometimes help us get by in
the world is that the world isn't just our thought-of objects, but something
(mystical) beyond them, and which provoked our thinking in the first place.
However, I think it is a mistake to think of the the fuzzy logic being a
real logic, either of the mystical reality (because that doesn't contain the
discrete objects which the fuzzy logic fuzzily relates), or of the
objectified world. The reason for my latter comment is that one thing Chris
has right is that it is our wielding of dichotomies which makes such a world
of objects possible, and a fuzzy dichotomy is a contradiction in terms. As
an afterthought, and to prevent you arguing that since fuzzy logic is really
very practical we should think of it as true, I think you ought to
acknowledge that fuzzy logic can make life more difficult as often as it
makes it easier, more often in fact. Take my mother in law. No, take her.
Toodle pip,
Pzeph
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