RE: MD Real Libertarians Please Stand Up

From: Gerhard Ersdal (ingeborg.ersdal@chello.no)
Date: Wed Jul 04 2001 - 19:18:37 BST


Glen,
Just to clarify my point of view on a few things (if they was unclear).

Glen wrote:
I think you are being ridiculous and no doubt you think I am a
barbarian. Your points are articulately put and I can understand your line
of reasoning even if I disagree with it, as I hope you can understand mine.

Gerhard:
I can understand how you and others are reasoning when ending up supporting death penalty, but I can not understand how you can do this reasoning based on MoQ.

Glen wrote:
The point of the thought experiment was to describe
the most extreme conditions to see if Gerhard would ever support capital
punishment. Perhaps a Nazi scenario would have been more effective. I
think there is a time and place for capital punishment although it is
infrequent.

Gerhard:
I do not support capital punishment by death sentences in any situation. I do think that self-defence is morally allowable, also under MoQ, at a biological level (individuals). This should probably also be applicable at a society level, giving the society the right to murder in self-defence when attacked by another society, if death is the only solution, but I think this will only apply for an invation force or a armed military group within the society trying to take over power. In all cases the one that have a choice (kill or not to kill, attack or not to attack) are breaking the moral code, but not the one defending himself/herself/itself (kill or be killed).

I am much to young to have experienced the German occupation of Norway during the WWII. I do not regard this situation as being something where other moral codes should apply, but I'm aware of the fact that the people that experienced this war feels so when dealing with people that had betrayed their country. I do not agree with them or support the action, but I understand.

Your answer to Rasheed clearly states the difference in our opinion:
>Sure I would shoot him. It would not be good to kill that person but it
>would be good to successfully defend my person.

I can only say: YES, I think you are a barbarian.

Gerhard

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