Re: MD Emotions revisited - revisited

From: Jonathan B. Marder (jonathan.marder@newmail.net)
Date: Sun Jul 15 2001 - 15:34:33 BST


Hi Squonk,

SQUONK
> HAL 9000 in 2001 suffered a major case of 'cognitive dissonance,' because he
> was forced to lie.
> Lying is incompatible with truth, and truth is an intellectual pattern of
> value.

Based on what I read in 2010, I understood that the mission goals HAL was
given turned out to conflict. "His" actions were based on logically pursuing
the goal that was given the highest precedence.

> There is no point in denying logical consequences.
HAL didn't. He accepted them. It was Dave who found it unnacceptable.

> Pol Pot did not value intellectual patterns; he valued social and biological
> patterns.
> There is little if no connection between AI and social patterns.

Now you sound like David Buchanan - any idea he disliked was labelled as a
Social pattern. When we discussed Eugenics some time ago, I believe the
consensus was that it was based on Intellectual patterns - perverted maybe,
but nevertheless intellectual. Similarly, Pirsig portrays Marxism as an
Intellectual pattern, but still goes on to attack it for lack of dynamism. I
admit to knowing little about Pol Pot, but assume his "philosophy" to be an
offshoot of Marxist-Leninism or Maoism.

IMO you make the mistake of forgetting that Intellectual patterns can be BAD
patterns.

Jonathan

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