Unfortunately, I must disagree with you on the basis that if consciousness
were solely DQ it would collapse. You've focused much on one aspect of
consciousness and praise be to you for that but in my view consciousness
must also be attributed with the faculty of memory. Also, if you could
please explain why you find Bo's concepts damaging; I would be much
interested in hearing your overall refutation of his concept.
Jeremy Kirouac
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Subject: Re: MD Consciousness Explained
> Hello All!
>
> "No problem can be solved from the same consciousness that created it."
> Albert Einstein.
>
> "The fundamental delusion of humanity is to suppose that I am here and you
> are out there"
> Roshi, Yasutani
>
> "Consciousness is a fascinating but elusive
> phenomenon; it is impossible to specify what
> it is, what it does, or why it evolved. Nothing
> worth reading has been written on it."
> Stuart Sutherland
>
>
>
>
> Consciousness is a Divergence of four life forms mediating DQ.
>
> I was a little excited when i wrote this and used the term, 'Diverge'
rather
> than, 'converge.'
> Sorry about that folks.
> When i'm in the grip of DQ i can be more than a little impetuous.
>
> Consciousness is a Convergence of four life forms mediating DQ.
>
> But i should like to change this to:
>
> Consciousness is DQ mediated by a Convergence of four life forms.
>
> Yes.
> I think that sounds better and conveys more of what i wished to say upon
the
> matter.
>
> Consciousness is DQ mediated by a Convergence of four life forms.
>
> Okie Dokie.
> May i sum up what my thinking has thrown up at this point?
> It may give some of you a damn good laugh at least! ;)
>
> In no relevant order:
> 1. Panpsychism.
> 2. Four life forms, Inorganic, Organic, Social and Intellect which inhere
in
> DQ.
> 3. The for levels/life forms/moralities have nothing to do with each
other.
> 4. DQ is the goal to which all patterns migrate, which suggests Teleology.
> 5. Consciousness is DQ mediated by a Convergence of four life forms.
> 5a. Therefore 'I' is an illusion.
> 6. Freedom is possible when DQ is unmediated. This is the best definition
of,
> 'I.' In a sense, i am saying that DQ IS consciousness, which is why it is
so
> hard to define.
> 7. Substance and causation belong to SOM.
>
>
>
> There is little, if anything here which Pirsig does not say or imply.
> I make no claims for originality.
> If one concentrates upon one level in the MOQ then consciousness
evaporates;
> this process is mere SOM.
>
>
> Bo's much vaunted, Interaction - Sensation - Emotion - Reason is a
damaging
> SOM brick wall in my view, and i seem to be alone in taking this view?
> John B's voice in that he is multiplying DQ is even more damaging.
>
>
> The next contribution from me will be an essay if there is no response to
> these postings.
> The essay will be centred on, of all things, a baseball bat!
>
> All the best to everyone,
>
> Squonk. :-)
>
>
>
>
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