Stephen Miller, "His Sheedness" and Robert D.
(a PS for Jeremy Kirouac)
Stephen Miller says re. the 5th level question.
> I'm not really sure where the conflict is. In Lila, Pirsig makes it
> quite clear that DQ is the fifth level that transcends the
> intellectual.
It's the "weak dynamic force" that transcended all static levels and
will be involved if/when the intellectual walls are to be lept, but the
escape will not be to freedom but to a new static yet better level.
I do however agree that it is implicit in Pirsig's work that the Q-idea
somehow is a "5th level" of its own making, but he DOES say that
it is an intellectual pattern (along with the SOM). Before I could
reply "His Sheedness" forestalled me and asked for references
...so now we wait for Stephen to inform us.
Robert D. remarked (to me or to Stephen?)
> Breaking the mind/matter barrier is analogous to breaking the
> subject/object barrier. So in a way it may be closer to MoQ than you
> think.
Exactly, mind/matter is the best known off-shoot of the SOM and if
(as in my SOL interpretation) the S/O division is the "intellectual
level" of the MoQ and the MoQ supercedes the SOM ... ipso facto
...the Q-idea is somehow a budding new 5th level!
Bo
PS
Jeremy.
Sorry for this late reply. Due to my peculiar way of reading the MD
posts I did not notice it until this morning.
You said
> I did find your list interesting and to a point I agree with it.
> However, I also disagree with it. I asked Squonks to give me a
> description of why he thinks your list ultimately fails to see if it
> coincided with my ideas. Unfortunately it did not. And to add to the
> unfortunate circumstances, I don't feel myself on solid ground quite
> yet to debate the list with you. I can however give you a glimpse of
> my idea.
Wish we all had the wisdom of realizing our limits :-). However I will
be on the lookout for inputs from you on this subject, am not sure if
your poem brings the point across to this most prosaic person.
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