Re: MD Lane and others critique Wilber

From: Billy Dean (billydee@inreach.com)
Date: Mon Aug 20 2001 - 17:58:11 BST


Thanks for the url to your critiques of Wilbur. One
request--would you add a button to turn off the music
on the front page? Thanks...

My responce to the Prologue is this: Years ago I took a
long, in-depth look at what is often called the New Age
movement. One of the first things which attracted me
was the idea that the Cosmos is responsive to human
intentions. My first impression was that it was like
asking some "god" to change or to arrange things to
match my preferences and expectations. To, in effect,
alter reality on my behalf. Initially, I didn't think
that idea had very much quality. How could my thoughts
and desires change the world around me when they are in
such intense competition with the thoughts and desires
of millions of other people? Alot of new age crap?

Now, many years later, I'm not so sure. Perhaps I don't
have much evidence that it is true. But perhaps there
are yet too few who have learned to integrate their
intentions with the intentions of others? Perhaps our
collective consciousness is not yet a critical mass? I
think it was Carl Sagan who said, "Absence of evidence
is not evidence of absence..." He also said, "I don't
want to believe--I want to know..." So I try to believe
in what still seems possible, but to continue working
with what is. And that seems to be, for me, a quality
approach.

Without having read Wilbur, I will venture to say that
he, like Pirsig and many others, are at the very least
courageous explorers--perhaps even heroes and prophets
(in the non-religious sense of the word). Andre Gide
said it best: "If you want to see new worlds, you must
be willing to lose sight of the shore for a very long
time..."

And when you return, you enlighten others by accurately
describing what you saw, not by exaggerating it for
your own purposes, and not by making up stuff about
things you did not see...

Billy Dean
Info@billydee.com
http://www.billydee.com

"It is the journey that enlightens--not the
destination..."
                  Kwai Chang Caine

----- Original Message -----
From: <gmbbradford@netscape.net>
To: <moq_discuss@moq.org>
Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2001 8:04 PM
Subject: MD Lane and others critique Wilber

> Trans-rational Seekers,
>
> Being that so many Pirsigians also are Wilberites,
and that most
> discussions of Ken Wilber here have been, to say the
least,
> positive, even to the extent that some prefer Wilber
to Pirsig,
> I thought I might dare to offer some critical views
of Wilber
> (and the transpersonal movement in general) to try to
round
> things out a bit. These come from the website of
David Lane, a
> professional philosopher residing in California whose
main
> interests are Eastern religion and surf-boarding. He
calls himself
> the Neural Surfer. He seems to have invested a lot in
his hero
> Wilber, but now finds reasons to be less, or no
longer, enchanted.
>
> He wrote a multi-part critique (but it's not very
long) of Wilber
> that can be found at:
> http://vclass.mtsac.edu:940/dlane/kendebates.htm
> Links to other authors' critiques/reviews/defenses
are also found
> here.

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