Re: MD Lane and others critique Wilber

From: gmbbradford@netscape.net
Date: Tue Aug 21 2001 - 06:09:08 BST


Hi Billy Dean,

<< Thanks for the url to your critiques of Wilbur.

Your welcome, but those weren't my critiques.

<< One request--would you add a button to turn off the music
<< on the front page? Thanks...

I can't turn off the music. That wasn't my web page, either.

<< My responce to the Prologue is this: Years ago I took a
<< long, in-depth look at what is often called the New Age
<< movement. One of the first things which attracted me
<< was the idea that the Cosmos is responsive to human
<< intentions. My first impression was that it was like
<< asking some "god" to change or to arrange things to
<< match my preferences and expectations. To, in effect,
<< alter reality on my behalf. Initially, I didn't think
<< that idea had very much quality. How could my thoughts
<< and desires change the world around me when they are in
<< such intense competition with the thoughts and desires
<< of millions of other people?

Right, it doesn't have much quality. It sounds silly.
How could your private thoughts and desires change the
world, even without the competition? Would you be
attempting some kind of hypnotic mind control?

<< Alot of new age crap?
<< Now, many years later, I'm not so sure.

Go with your first instinct, Billy Dean.

<< Perhaps I don't
<< have much evidence that it is true. But perhaps there
<< are yet too few who have learned to integrate their
<< intentions with the intentions of others? Perhaps our
<< collective consciousness is not yet a critical mass?

Been reading Jung, perhaps? If I'm right, could it mean
I have ESP?

<< I think it was Carl Sagan who said, "Absence of evidence
<< is not evidence of absence..." He also said, "I don't
<< want to believe--I want to know..." So I try to believe
<< in what still seems possible, but to continue working
<< with what is. And that seems to be, for me, a quality
<< approach.

Not bad.
I think Carl also said, "Keep an open mind, but not so
open your brain falls out." Or maybe it wasn't Carl.

<< Without having read Wilbur, I will venture to say that
<< he, like Pirsig and many others, are at the very least
<< courageous explorers--perhaps even heroes and prophets
<< (in the non-religious sense of the word). Andre Gide
<< said it best: "If you want to see new worlds, you must
<< be willing to lose sight of the shore for a very long
<< time..."

I want to believe Gide is talking about the Apollo
astronauts here - folks who really did see a new world,
who really did lose sight of their shores -
but somehow I really doubt it.

<< And when you return, you enlighten others by accurately
<< describing what you saw, not by exaggerating it for
<< your own purposes, and not by making up stuff about
<< things you did not see...

We lap up whatever our heroes tell us. If our heroes
exaggerate, we lap it up faster. Exaggeration is what Lane
is accusing Wilber of.
Glenn

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