Glenn,
Please excuse my confusion about the critiques, the url
and the music which you cannot turn off. :))
Well, even if Carl did not say that, I bet he would
have agreed with its implications. That is perhaps what
he meant by some of the things he did say.
And I think I can continue to believe in things I
cannot see or explain without being in danger of them
clouding my ability to stay in touch with what I can
see and explain. Carl Sagan also said, "Skepticism and
wonder make strange bed fellows but a good marriage,
for one must be open to all sorts of ideas but willing
to run them through a rigorous filter..."
Well, I have read some of Carl Jung's books, so I
suppose ESP is possible--can't say either way. But I
first encountered the phrase "critical mass" in a
college physics class. It also occurs quite frequently
in the new age literature. Even with that dubious
connection, I think the idea of applying critical mass
to consciousness has some merit. What do you think?
Actually, I found Andre Gide's remark in a book titled
"Where to Now, Columbus" which chronicles our
exploration of this planet and space. Good reading--I
recommend it highly.
Thanks for your comments--they were also good reading,
in the best sense of the word...
Billy Dean
Info@billydee.com
http://www.billydee.com
"It is the journey that enlightens--not the
destination..."
Kwai Chang Caine
----- Original Message -----
From: <gmbbradford@netscape.net>
To: <moq_discuss@moq.org>
Sent: Monday, August 20, 2001 10:09 PM
Subject: Re: MD Lane and others critique Wilber
> Hi Billy Dean,
>
> << Alot of new age crap?
> << Now, many years later, I'm not so sure.
>
> Go with your first instinct, Billy Dean.
>
> << Perhaps I don't
> << have much evidence that it is true. But perhaps
there
> << are yet too few who have learned to integrate
their
> << intentions with the intentions of others? Perhaps
our
> << collective consciousness is not yet a critical
mass?
>
> Been reading Jung, perhaps? If I'm right, could it
mean
> I have ESP?
>
> << I think it was Carl Sagan who said, "Absence of
evidence
> << is not evidence of absence..." He also said, "I
don't
> << want to believe--I want to know..." So I try to
believe
> << in what still seems possible, but to continue
working
> << with what is. And that seems to be, for me, a
quality
> << approach.
>
> Not bad.
> I think Carl also said, "Keep an open mind, but not
so
> open your brain falls out." Or maybe it wasn't Carl.
>
> << Without having read Wilbur, I will venture to say
that
> << he, like Pirsig and many others, are at the very
least
> << courageous explorers--perhaps even heroes and
prophets
> << (in the non-religious sense of the word). Andre
Gide
> << said it best: "If you want to see new worlds, you
must
> << be willing to lose sight of the shore for a very
long
> << time..."
>
> I want to believe Gide is talking about the Apollo
> astronauts here - folks who really did see a new
world,
> who really did lose sight of their shores -
> but somehow I really doubt it.
>
> << And when you return, you enlighten others by
accurately
> << describing what you saw, not by exaggerating it
for
> << your own purposes, and not by making up stuff
about
> << things you did not see...
>
> We lap up whatever our heroes tell us. If our heroes
> exaggerate, we lap it up faster. Exaggeration is what
Lane
> is accusing Wilber of.
> Glenn
>
>
>
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