Hi Rasheed!
If one drops concepts of substance, matter, and causation, and views reality
as primarily relationships of value, then we can look at human 'software' and
machine logic 'software' in this light?
The categories, 'Human' and 'logic' are SOM terms after all.
But in MOQ terms they are not distinguished categorically by material or
substantial natures?
(Society does not inhere in matter for example, but exists in the
relationships between it's members.)
Language has been around for a long time, and logic is another, but very
recent, language?
Right now, at this point in evolution, logic can be manipulated
technologically to generate analogues of perceptual stimuli, thus making
Human/AI enhancement a serious possibility?
Speculation. And to be honest with you, i am not very fond of this sort of
speculation.
But the intriguing thing about the MOQ is that it does imply a direction of
evolution; and this direction is moral whether we like it or not!
I agree we may be better off without computers?
I believe there is a firm in the States that specialises in retrieving data
from fire damaged hard drives? And some of their clients have been known to
be close to suicide at the thought of losing their accumulated data?
Does that not make you feel sick?
To drive, (no pun intended) home the point, only this evening my own computer
developed a power supply fault that i mistakenly thought was a virus attack.
The thought of losing just a few files of essays made me feel awful. Then i
thought back to the days - only a few short years ago - when i did not have a
computer at all.
How life has changed!
Now it seems i cannot do without the damn thing!
Still, being able to talk to the MOQ.org makes it worth it?
Doesn't it?
Or does it?
Perhaps it does?
Or does it?
All the best,
Squonk.
In a message dated 9/11/01 2:40:32 AM GMT Daylight Time, HisSheedness@aol.com
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<< Subj: Re: MD 5th level revisited
Date: 9/11/01 2:40:32 AM GMT Daylight Time
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Squonk,
The issue of the ubiquitousness of computers in society has always puzzled
me. At times i think that we've become much too inextricably dependent on
them. but then they also seem to provide communication and commerce and all.
Ultimately i think that we would have been better off never knowing of
computers in the first place. That way, we'd be missing a lot, but we
wouldn't know what we were missing, so we wouldn't care.
I'm not too keen on the idea of human-software interaction constituting the
5th level. My view is that the 5th level consists of the patterns formed by
the intellectual level (ie, inorganic produces biological, biological
produces societal...) But, if the 5th level is through software interaction,
why did the formation of this 5th level wait until now to come about? What
is it about the conditions of today that makes the formation possible? I
dont know, i havent contributed much to all of this discussion about the 5th
level because i don't know very much about it.
rasheed
'unscrew the locks from the doors! unscrew the doors themselves from their
jambs!' allen ginsberg
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