RE: MD Social or Intellectual

From: Derrick Malone (dmalone@ntlworld.com)
Date: Fri Sep 21 2001 - 00:02:47 BST


That's a point i was meaning to make.

These attacks might have the effect of curtailing americans' freedoms (and
indeed that is what terrorism is all about), but the reason for the
terrorism is not (as Bush and others have suggested) the fact of americans'
freedom but the actions (as you put it 'social'; though i would lean toward
characterising it as anti-social) she takes (in the name of every american)
in the outside world.

This a very important point for american people to grasp in this tabloid
driven war-mongering: it is not who you are or what you stand for that
offends the vast majority of people (of that are indeed offended ..
admittedly most aren't) in the world .. but how your government represents
you to the world. this is a conflict born out of ignorance by the vast
majority of US citizens of what their elected representatives do in their
name.

It's no coincidence that in foreign policy there is much more consensus
between the two major parties in the US than over any other issue. There are
simply no votes in foreign policy besides the obvious (use the strongest
rhetoric in support of isreal), so both parties are happy to leave it to the
hawks in the pentagon to reliably deliver a periodic war to stir the
patriotism of the people.

Americans, wake up and see what you have done (by proxy) to these people and
then start to understand what creates an atmosphere for the hatred most
recently exhibited to thrive.

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-moq_discuss@venus.co.uk
[mailto:owner-moq_discuss@venus.co.uk]On Behalf Of Rob D
Sent: 20 September 2001 04:25
To: Moq_Discuss
Subject: MD Social or Intellectual

        I am just curious. Do people here think that the attacks were meant to be
primarily against the "Social USA" or the "Intellectual USA"? I'll define
these terms for everybody to make it clear. By social I mean the country USA
with it's big military which supports Israel and bombs Iraq and wants to
build a missile shield, the social USA. Or do you think that the terrorists
hate the pursuit of happiness, free society, free market, free religion,
"lets talk about sex baby" intellectual idea USA?
        I always assumed the former, how can you hate pursuit of happiness? I
understanding not approving of it however, and maybe being upset that it is
spreading, but not hating it. Everybody likes having a good time once in a
while, even if it's in a tent with a couple of guys out in the desert.
        Rob

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