Dear Rasheed,
Thanks for a truly enlightening post!
The Bard
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Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2001 2:57 PM
Subject: Re: MD Re: Nietzsche
> The Bard, Tanya, All,
>
> Has anyone ever read 'The Brothers Karamazov' by Fyodor Dostoyevsky? It's
> the best book I've ever read, and by reading it i finally had an
> understanding of what Nietzsche meant when he said 'God is dead. God died
of
> his love for man.' In Dostoevky's Grand Inquisitor scene, Jesus Christ
comes
> back to life during the Spanish Inquisition and revives a dead girl at her
> funeral. The Grand Inquisitor promptly has him arrested and asks him why
he
> returned to the earth. He tells him that tomorrow He will be burned at
the
> stake and that his own people will provide the stones for the fire. The
next
> part hit me harder than almost anything else i can remember, but I don't
want
> to get into too much detail. the Grand Inquisitor tells Christ that he
had
> the option of commanding men to follow him by the use of miracle, mystery,
> and authority (these being the three temptations offered to him in the
> desert). But he refused and said that men should follow him on faith
alone.
> This free will that man received was too much for him to bear. If they
were
> commanded to follow Christ, it would have been easier. ("You were a god,
but
> humans, are they gods?) God overestimated Man's ability. God loved man
SO
> much, that he trusted man to come to Him from his own free will. But the
> Jesuits of the Inquisition see the folly in God's plan, so they decide to
do
> God's work and lie to Man. They tell him that he can do what he wants and
> all will be forgiven in Christ's name, they tell him what is good and what
is
> evil, they tell him how to live his life. When man can rise out of this
life
> and see through the lie of the Church, he is "Beyond Good and Evil" and no
> longer needs the lie for a crutch. This is why the Inquisitor said that
God
> would be burned at the stake tomorrow and that his own people would
provide
> the stones for the fire.
>
> Nietzsche believed in an intellectual uprising of new philosophers that
would
> overthrow the old way of thinking. Nietzsche hated the Church, and he saw
> most of the problems of Christianity, or 'the lie,' stemming from the
church.
> Nietzsche said that free will is a device used by the Church to make
people
> feel bad about themselves. "You chose to do it, it's your fault, you must
> change." But Man, he says, has already been made to be a certain way and
> cannot change what he does.
>
> Christians are castrates, according to him. For an act to truly be Beyond
> Good and Evil, it must come from the convictions of the individual who is
not
> acting to please a god. That might be why he said, 'Any act performed out
of
> love is beyond good and evil.' But I don't think he means love of God or
> love of man, but love for oneself. If one loves one's self, they will do
> whatever they can to better the self and overcome their previous ways of
> thinking. "Life is that which must overcome itself" and "We must revolt
> against everything that is and everything that is no longer becoming."
The
> latter hit me as a powerful DQ-affirming statement.
>
> And by the way, don't think that i subscribe to the beliefs of Nietzsche
or
> Dostoyevsky's Ivan Karamazov, they just interest me very much.
>
> Rumi is one of my favorite poets, along with Allen Ginsberg and Octavio
Paz.
> The love he spoke of was blissful surrender:
>
> The way of love is not
> a subtle argument.
>
> The door there
> is devastation.
>
> Birds make great sky-circles
> of their freedom.
> How do they learn it?
>
> They fall, and falling,
> they're given wings.
>
> --Rumi, trans. Coleman Barks
>
> If you've made it this far, thanks for reading.
>
> rasheed
>
>
>
>
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