Nietzsche is quoted as saying he just expressed what
Dostoevski said. Freud said the same thing about
Nietzsche.
The advances in the biology of the brain show that
Nietzsche's thought can be subsumed within MAMMALIAN
biology. The mammalian limbic brain gets imprinted in
childhood with certain behaviors. It repeats those
behaviors throughtout life. Christianity gives solace
to us MAMMALs by saying it's ok, it's ok to sin in
your perpetual pattern. You're sinning because your
brain adapted to the circumstances of your childhood.
Nietzsche comes along and says, "Stop" don't repeat
these patterns. These patterns can be overcome, but it
takes a will. It takes will to overcome your biology.
You can never be "cured" from it, but you can overcome
it on a daily basis. It's clear from mammalian biology
that it is true.
So what I see with this whole "Quality" issue is the
same form. Pirsig's Quality theme is a manifestation
of the innate ability of the brain to make good of
what is bad. There is no Quality in the crashing of
the towers. I challenge, as an open one, anyone to
show me how it is quality. The only quality there is
is the ability of the brain to make it quality.
Divorced from the brain and the brains of us all, how
is there a quality in the crashing UNLESS you
introduce the brain's ability to make meaning for
itself. It is clear there is NO enemy to attack my
mind and destroy that. Is that then the principle of
Quality? If that is so, I agree.
In the end I'm asking to be educated. I'm here to
learn and listen, but I have to express in order to
clear my ears of what it is that I am not hearing.
Thanks.
Angus.
--- HisSheedness@aol.com wrote:
> The Bard, Tanya, All,
>
> Has anyone ever read 'The Brothers Karamazov' by
> Fyodor Dostoyevsky? It's
> the best book I've ever read, and by reading it i
> finally had an
> understanding of what Nietzsche meant when he said
> 'God is dead. God died of
> his love for man.' In Dostoevky's Grand Inquisitor
> scene, Jesus Christ comes
> back to life during the Spanish Inquisition and
> revives a dead girl at her
> funeral. The Grand Inquisitor promptly has him
> arrested and asks him why he
> returned to the earth. He tells him that tomorrow
> He will be burned at the
> stake and that his own people will provide the
> stones for the fire. The next
> part hit me harder than almost anything else i can
> remember, but I don't want
> to get into too much detail. the Grand Inquisitor
> tells Christ that he had
> the option of commanding men to follow him by the
> use of miracle, mystery,
> and authority (these being the three temptations
> offered to him in the
> desert). But he refused and said that men should
> follow him on faith alone.
> This free will that man received was too much for
> him to bear. If they were
> commanded to follow Christ, it would have been
> easier. ("You were a god, but
> humans, are they gods?) God overestimated Man's
> ability. God loved man SO
> much, that he trusted man to come to Him from his
> own free will. But the
> Jesuits of the Inquisition see the folly in God's
> plan, so they decide to do
> God's work and lie to Man. They tell him that he
> can do what he wants and
> all will be forgiven in Christ's name, they tell him
> what is good and what is
> evil, they tell him how to live his life. When man
> can rise out of this life
> and see through the lie of the Church, he is "Beyond
> Good and Evil" and no
> longer needs the lie for a crutch. This is why the
> Inquisitor said that God
> would be burned at the stake tomorrow and that his
> own people would provide
> the stones for the fire.
>
> Nietzsche believed in an intellectual uprising of
> new philosophers that would
> overthrow the old way of thinking. Nietzsche hated
> the Church, and he saw
> most of the problems of Christianity, or 'the lie,'
> stemming from the church.
> Nietzsche said that free will is a device used by
> the Church to make people
> feel bad about themselves. "You chose to do it,
> it's your fault, you must
> change." But Man, he says, has already been made to
> be a certain way and
> cannot change what he does.
>
> Christians are castrates, according to him. For an
> act to truly be Beyond
> Good and Evil, it must come from the convictions of
> the individual who is not
> acting to please a god. That might be why he said,
> 'Any act performed out of
> love is beyond good and evil.' But I don't think he
> means love of God or
> love of man, but love for oneself. If one loves
> one's self, they will do
> whatever they can to better the self and overcome
> their previous ways of
> thinking. "Life is that which must overcome itself"
> and "We must revolt
> against everything that is and everything that is no
> longer becoming." The
> latter hit me as a powerful DQ-affirming statement.
>
> And by the way, don't think that i subscribe to the
> beliefs of Nietzsche or
> Dostoyevsky's Ivan Karamazov, they just interest me
> very much.
>
> Rumi is one of my favorite poets, along with Allen
> Ginsberg and Octavio Paz.
> The love he spoke of was blissful surrender:
>
> The way of love is not
> a subtle argument.
>
> The door there
> is devastation.
>
> Birds make great sky-circles
> of their freedom.
> How do they learn it?
>
> They fall, and falling,
> they're given wings.
>
> --Rumi, trans. Coleman Barks
>
> If you've made it this far, thanks for reading.
>
> rasheed
>
>
>
>
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