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From: "Angus Guschwan" <arshilegorky@yahoo.com>
To: <moq_discuss@moq.org>
Sent: Friday, September 28, 2001 9:01 PM
Subject: MD Re: Karamazov
> So what I see with this whole "Quality" issue is the
> same form. Pirsig's Quality theme is a manifestation
> of the innate ability of the brain to make good of
> what is bad. There is no Quality in the crashing of
> the towers. I challenge, as an open one, anyone to
> show me how it is quality. The only quality there is
> is the ability of the brain to make it quality.
Angus, I would argue that almost noone in this group, and very few people in
the world would argue that what happened on Sept 11th had quality. Well,
more specifically, I would say that those events had very low or even
negative quality. One of the things that Pirsig works at in Lila is the idea
that "Quality" always exists, good or bad.
>From an individual standpoint, it may be impossible to define anything
outside of one's own mind. However, what about group consensus? Often times,
a majority of people will agree that something has high levels of quality.
Or that something, like the WTC attacks, has "no", or very low levels of
quality. I think this is precisely what troubled Pirsig and was the initial
seed for the MOQ.
I'm still working on the idea of making good from bad. I think that assumes
that brain patterns are naturally bad. I would argue that if patterns are
encoded in us at birth, that they are biological ones and not inherently
good or bad. In fact, from a biological standpoint, these patterns would
have extremely high quality. Not sure if any of this helps, let's continue
discussing.
wEEpy
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