Thanks weepy. Here's my thoughts on the brain
imprinting.
> I'm still working on the idea of making good from
> bad. I think that assumes
> that brain patterns are naturally bad. I would argue
> that if patterns are
> encoded in us at birth, that they are biological
> ones and not inherently
> good or bad. In fact, from a biological standpoint,
> these patterns would
> have extremely high quality.
Brain patterns are imprinted during childhood. Think
about it: a fresh brain is thrown into a world where
it does not know who it's parents are, what
environment it is, etc. Mammals need to extract "love"
from the environment. It's part of our survival code.
We all know there are parents and situations that
aren't loving. So the brain makes meaning out of
whatever it is given, whatever family environment it
has. It has to have love, it has to have meaning to
live (gruesome Nazi experiments among others showed
this). It's amazing to think about. But if you extend
this thought then, the brain can make meaning out of
"anything." Could it be then that the trait of the
brain to extract love out of the environment is really
Pirsig's quality??? That would be my pointed question.
How can you distinquish between this innate desire to
make love out of things (mammalian need for love) with
an inherent characteristic of the world (Quality)? It
seems Pirsig would have to account for this mammalian
trait precisely because the nature of Quality is so
near to the mammalian brain's need for love and
meaning. Otherwise, all he is doing is describing what
he "does" to the world, not what the world is in and
of itself.
And of course it would resonate with people because
they all want to be loved too. He would then just be
repackaging love (which is I think what Tanya would
"love" to hear).
I'm open to help here. I may be thinking of quality in
the wrong way. I tend to think with a broad brush, and
then get down to the details. Thanks for any input.
Angus.
--- wEEpy <weepy1101@home.com> wrote:
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Angus Guschwan" <arshilegorky@yahoo.com>
> To: <moq_discuss@moq.org>
> Sent: Friday, September 28, 2001 9:01 PM
> Subject: MD Re: Karamazov
>
>
> > So what I see with this whole "Quality" issue is
> the
> > same form. Pirsig's Quality theme is a
> manifestation
> > of the innate ability of the brain to make good of
> > what is bad. There is no Quality in the crashing
> of
> > the towers. I challenge, as an open one, anyone to
> > show me how it is quality. The only quality there
> is
> > is the ability of the brain to make it quality.
>
> Angus, I would argue that almost noone in this
> group, and very few people in
> the world would argue that what happened on Sept
> 11th had quality. Well,
> more specifically, I would say that those events had
> very low or even
> negative quality. One of the things that Pirsig
> works at in Lila is the idea
> that "Quality" always exists, good or bad.
>
> From an individual standpoint, it may be impossible
> to define anything
> outside of one's own mind. However, what about group
> consensus? Often times,
> a majority of people will agree that something has
> high levels of quality.
> Or that something, like the WTC attacks, has "no",
> or very low levels of
> quality. I think this is precisely what troubled
> Pirsig and was the initial
> seed for the MOQ.
>
> I'm still working on the idea of making good from
> bad. I think that assumes
> that brain patterns are naturally bad. I would argue
> that if patterns are
> encoded in us at birth, that they are biological
> ones and not inherently
> good or bad. In fact, from a biological standpoint,
> these patterns would
> have extremely high quality. Not sure if any of this
> helps, let's continue
> discussing.
>
> wEEpy
>
>
>
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