Hi Rick,
Quality transcends all patterns and is not the patterns themselves.
'Mystical' experience is experience of that which transcends patterns, and in
my view, can only begin and, hopefully end, with a patterned entity, i.e. YOU.
So, what ever you feel to be YOU is that which exists before experience of
the un-patterned.
As mind/body distinction is a false conceptual basis for a definition of YOU,
i am happy to describe YOU in MOQ terms as patterns of static quality, and
leave it at that.
I feel Dave is a bit of a philosopher, and you know how they just have to
piss about?
Not interested in that at all really.
All the best,
Squonk.
In a message dated 10/25/01 9:28:41 PM GMT Daylight Time,
valence10@hotmail.com writes:
<< Subj: Re: MD Reality and Quality
Date: 10/25/01 9:28:41 PM GMT Daylight Time
From: valence10@hotmail.com (Valence)
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Hey Squonk and Dave,
Sorry to jump in on you, hope nobody minds... I just have a comment or
two.... and a question....
DAVE WROTE:
> Ah, but the only thing stopping you seeing quality
> directly is your patterns.
> So to see quality directly you would have to disrupt
> your patterns so much that you would be lucky to make
> it back in one piece.
This struck me as a very bizarre thought. The only thing stopping you
[from] seeing Quality is your patterns??? But all "you" are to begin with
is various patterns. Patterns of biology, sociology, and intellect. If one
was to "disrupt" these patterns, there wouldn't be a "you" left to perceive
Quality. I was hoping you might be more explicit in identifying which
patterns you believe would have to be (and could be) disrupted? Certainly
not biological patterns... if one disrupts these, he is dead. Is your
position that it is the social/intellectual patterns that block out the
direct perception of Q??? This also seems an untenable position as it would
mean that social/intellectual evolution carries us further from Quality,
rather than towards it, as is suggested repeatedly in LILA.... Could you
clarify???
Just wondering,
Rick
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