"This is a continuation of a discussion that grew out of the "Why do they
hate us/Patronising attitudes" thread.
I've renamed it for obvious reasons.
JONATHAN (28/10/2001)
> Either as monotheism of
> polytheism, the abstraction of god(s) makes the spiritual world
> something essentially subjective, to be largely ignored by scientists
> who explore the spiritless physical world. That is pretty much where
> Eurasian man has been for the last few thousand years (I don't know
> much about the others). "
Alright, if we are speaking about Eurasian man let's make sure that this is said: We are encompassing the following religouns: all forms of Jewdiasm, all three? forms of Islam, ancient and modern Christinity and all things in between, modern and ancient Hinduism, all three forms of Toaism, Buddhists and Zen, Hari Krishna, Ethnic religouns (thousands exist), Ancient and modern Paganism (at least hundreds of form exists), Zoroastrianism, Ancestor worship, Confuciousism, Druism, Drusism, all of the greek philosphical school (32, is it?) both post an pre-Plato, ALL modern living schools of thought from people who beleive wholeheartedly in a loosely defined 'spiritualism' to people who consider Satan to be their true lord and conquerer, and a great number of cults aside from that.
Now I personally feel I don't have the scope to cover all of this, though if I GREATLY generalize I can cover most of the 6 major religouns and a great many of the division inside them, as well as a quite a few schools of Athenian thought; but to fully cover this topic, I feel, would take SEVERAL people SEVERAL lifetimes.
"BODVAR (31/10/2001)
>Eurasian man. Exactly, not merely European or Western, but
>Eurasian, just what I try to convince Sam of.
Sam has been going over the religious/philosophical divisions of very
recent history. As you note, by talking about EURASIAN man, we are
talking not only about Judaism, Christianity and Islam, but about
Hinduism too. This is something that Jae might want to think about it.
JAE (Logical conclusions thread, 6/11/01):
>Now as for Hinduism - that's a cool religoun! Not quite my style, but
>I'd much rather chill-out with a bunch of Hindus than a bunch of
Christians."
I'm not sure exactly what all of this implies. Ofcource Hinduism is part of eurasian culture, and I'm well aware of that. I'm QUITE surprised that you take Hunduism into account and leave out Taoism and Buddhist here.
"That ancient rift between the spiritual and the physical worlds is what
divides what we call Eastern and Western thought.
Neither side has the complete picture. In the West, the physical world
has come to dominate our view of reality. The spiritual world is
regarded as suspect or even dismissed completely as mumbo jumbo.
In the East (Hinduism), the opposite happened. It is the physical world
that is regarded as a magical illusion (MAYA)."
This is semi-true. I just spent a year in great exploration of two thing: Mathematics and Judaism, specifically, Jewish mysticism or Kabalah (after which I chimmed back in with a big finding which only one person has yet to comment on, so I feel I will further explain what I found below). Anywho, I will say that the spiritual/physical divide ABSOLUTELY DOESN'T EXISTS IN JEWISH THOUGHT. In modern Jewish practice it may, but kabalah DOES INFACT bridge this ancient rift, the reason why I left my Taoist leanings was my finding of this essential Jewish fact. When I came to Israel my intention was to be utterly secular, and I was for a year, but this series of study has lead me back to a (at least somewhat at this point) religous life, and I encourage you all to ask me questions about these links I've found in Kabalah between the physical and spiritual and physical worlds. I'm not saying I've found 'the truth' or 'the way', cause I don't think these things exist, and far be it from me to impose my way of thou
ght on anyone else, so if you ask me things I will attempt to explain them, but I'm not going to go on about this without being asked - just wanted to put this out here now.
"BODVAR (to Jonathan)
>How did you and I ever
>become such antagonists? I can't find one single objection to raise.
Maybe finally, we are at the heart of Pirsig's original problem that
motivated him to write ZAMM.
Remember, the first philosophical discussions in the book start about
this very issue, whether or not ghosts and spirits are real."
I agree, that is the core of Pirsig's issue. That's also the core of most human searching, I think, that's the what and why we are all here talking isn't it?
Ok, now for me to explain the link I sent to the group in more detail.
I remember in LILA, I think it was, Pirsig speculates that the building blocks for reality would best fit his theory if they were in fact basic bits of morality. In this article I sent, it states that in a new branch of Quantum Mechanics, the most basic building blocks of our reality (which in fact connects our 4 dimensions to the speculated upon 6 other dimensions) is at the smallest level possible composed of what can perhaps best be described as 'morals'. They are best called this because these basic elemnts in this new offshoot of physics are thought also to be an aspect of conscienceness. Please read the article and give me some feeback now. Thank you all!
Jae
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