Re: MD Germs

From: Platt Holden (pholden@sc.rr.com)
Date: Tue Nov 20 2001 - 17:00:38 GMT


Marco:
 
> you know I don't equate USA and Soviet Union. I offer few sparse statements.

It was the Soviet Union that wanted to make Nicaragua and Chile into
communist satellites. You didn't like the Soviet empire near your
borders any more than we wanted them near ours.

> a - "tyrannical systems" prospere wherever people inside the system are convinced that the system is the best one, so take care.

Examples please.

> b - the Soviets were perfectly convinced they were living in the best possible system, and they invaded Hungary just to "Defend their Hemisphere"; that is, for the same reason you are suggesting the USA *rightly* built a tyrannical regime in Nicaragua and Chile.

There you go with moral equivalency again. Please explain the fall of
Communist Russia if all those Soviets believed they lived in the best
system. As for those tyrannical regimes, check out the situation in
Chile and Nicaragua today and let me know what you find.
 
> c - USA is a liberal democracy inside its bordelines. Often (Nicaragua, Cuba and Chile are examples) it has not the same abroad, so if I were a Nicaraguan, or a Cuban, I really could not understand why the USA should be better than the Soviet Union. Actually, the absurd policy of the USA
triggered the Cuban revolution, and you have the Communists few miles off Miami since the 50's. This "invasion of your hemisphere" (btw, it is not *yours*) is a consequence of the American policy, not the other way r

Your history is questionable to say the least. Please explain why
millions of Cubans, Nicaraguans and Chileans have risked their lives
to come to the U.S.

> d - If the USA is a liberal democracy it is NOT thanks to the facts in
Nicaragua and Chile. Quite the contrary. Please, have the courage to
admit the crimes of your nation. It would make you a better person, and
America a better nation.

Please, have the courage to admit that the U.S. is a shining beacon of
freedom to billions around the world. (Remember the Chinese student
rebellion of a few years back with their makeshift statue of liberty held
high in the square?) And let's not forget the millions of Italian
immigrants who have contributed so much to make America great.
 
> e - Who do you are to decide what is good for Chile and Nicaragua?

We don't decide. We make it possible for them to hold free elections so
they can decide. (I don't mean phony elections like those held in
communist countries.)

> f - I was just criticizing that *rightly*. Your words sound like "We are a liberal democracy, so we can rightly do what we want"

Recall we were talking about how the U.S. acted in the Cold War. In
that context, what the U.S. did was "right" vis a vis the Soviet Union, a
brutal, tyranny that many seem to forget murdered millions of its own
citizens. If it is not right to resist such a system, I don't know the
meaning of the word nor of morality.

Platt
(still hopeful)

  
 

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