Welcome Omar, nice post, don't be offended by the replies that will
follow(not from me). Greetings Davor
>From: "Omar Kamel" <okamel@ad-i.com>
>Reply-To: moq_discuss@moq.org
>To: <moq_discuss@moq.org>
>Subject: MD I'm new around here...
>Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 04:09:57 +0200
>
>
>But I thought it was about time I engaged.
>
>Okay.
>
>By way of Introduction, my name is Omar Kamel. I am 32 years less young,
>and I live in Egypt. I live with a dog called Shazam. He's a Golden
>Retriever.
>
>I like Philip K. Dick, and I've traveled somewhat extensively. I have a
>B.A. in Psychology, for what that's worth, and I read when I can.
>
>1. War
>
>First, some window washing...
>
>I'm somewhat perplexed at the notion, expressed in even the most
>reasonable posts, that, somehow, the 'west' is 'intellectually
>superior', and that the Islamic value-system is Socially Based, and on
>those grounds 1) Inferior and 2) Antagonistic.
>
>That just doesn't carry. Even when it's masked with the notion of
>Islamic 'fundementalists' - that word never seems to relate to the
>'Fundementals' of any religion - it's a misnomer. And I ignore it.
>
>Anybody who, through will, or neglect, causes death is an asshole, not a
>moslem, and not a xtian, and not a buddhist. He's barely human, and not
>much of one at that.
>
>As for history, well, the notion that the west holds any monopoly
>whatsoever on intellectual activity is just laughable. The technological
>superiority is clear as day, but tech is not intellect. The only current
>superiority I can honestly see is one of technique, not of reason. I
>can, but choose not to, go over countless examples of intellectual
>achievement by Arab and Islamic individuals. The notion that
>individuality is undervalued is simply...well, unread...
>
>I am a somewhat naturally volatile person, and am sometimes unaware when
>I maybe hurtful. I hope this isn't what you're reading, because that's
>not what I intend.
>
>This whole thing has been a mess, and both sides are blind to the other.
>I can summarize the extent of things by comparing brain docs...
>
>To a lot of Americans, and somehow, the British, something happened on
>Sept. 11th, 2001.
>
>To a lot of non-Americans - this didn't start Sept. 11th, this 'war'
>started earlier, much earlier. And the Americans are the aggressors,
>they are the monster, they are a social monster, catering to the
>biological needs of it's cells, and willing to destroy intellectual
>patterns in other societies in order to create a bigger market for their
>particular breed of social monster. To take things teleologically and
>say that by virtue of appearing to be 'winning', the USA must be
>'superior' is just short-sighted. Time hiccups, and evolution is often
>jaggy.
>
>That's all I have to say about this, it's an endless topic, and one that
>damns me just by talking about, cause I have to say "American", "Arab",
>"Islamic", and "Xtian"...I don't like those words. Political Note: I'm
>an anarchist, and I'm sick of nationalism, deal with that as you may.
>
>2. Directions of change
>
>To other things, Squonk said:
>
>"We can paraphrase this and say that Pirsig does not wish to change
>things
>into patterns of quality, but rather patterns of quality into things."
>
>I'd like to add to that something. Z&AOMM's Pirsig wanted nothing but
>the patterns of quality. It is the 'new', 'reformed' Pirsig, that of
>Lila - who wants to put the quality to work. To apply it. To make it
>'thing'.
>
>This last makes the matter somewhat doubtful to me, but I'm like that. I
>know what it tastes like. The urge to shelter life within the umbrella
>of a construct. Even if it's a dynamic construct. A perilous enterprise
>at best. One that can only be justified by the quality of the construct,
>as though to think "Yes, I know I'm pitching now, but hell, it's a
>*good* product." - it's not dishonest, but it sheds some Grace. A grace
>Pirsig somewhat retains by his restraint. Judging from his letter to the
>Lila Squad, about staying offline, so to speak, letting the MoQ
>interbreed, as it were - I believe he senses the issue.
>
>Philip K. Dick handles his constructs much differently. Dick slides them
>in from the ground upwards, it is not an umbrella at all, it is a plant,
>or a life-force deep underground, and it starts showing through the
>cracks...it's not intellectual, it's magical. It is not up there, it is
>*here*. It does not encompass, it is *contained*. I ramble. I will stop.
>
>
>The 5th level:
>
>Somebody mentioned this, and somebody asked. Creative level, magical,
>Yesod.
>
>The transition between 'might', and 'is'.
>
>Possibly.
>
>More in the brain, but far too fuzzy to articulate. Later, perhaps.
>
>Well,
>
>If you're up for more, I'm at:
>
>http://www.ad-i.com
>
>http://septic.blogspot.com
>
>http://www.shabakamusic.com
>
>Has anybody here seen K-Pax?
>Any good?
>
>Omar
>
>
>
>
>
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