Re: MD Overdoing the dynamic

From: Platt Holden (pholden@sc.rr.com)
Date: Mon Dec 03 2001 - 14:49:35 GMT


Hi Jonathan:

Great to hear from you. You must really check in more often if for no
other reason than to let us know you are not a victim of a Hamas
suicide bomber. But of course the better reason is that you always
have insigtful comments about the MOQ.
 
> Finally, I have a comment to PLATT

> >Here is my vote for the organizing forces of the four levels:
> >
> >Inorganic: Energy & Entropy
> >Biological: Sex & Survival
> >Social: Fame & Fortune
> >Intellectual: Measurement & Number
> >
> >Conflicts between levels: The driving force of history.
> >
> >Penetrating all levels: The evolutionary moral force of Dynamic
> >Quality.
>
> The organizing force for all levels is SURVIVAL. Patterns that do not
> value their own survival, or are not part of a grander pattern that
> values their survival . . . tend not to survive. The levels complicate
> this simple truth. If you really want to understand patterns, you have
> to understand WHY they survive. This is something to be considered when
> discussing terrorism, capitalism, religion and even SOM.

Previously in your post you wrote:

" . . . a big mistake many Moqers tend to make is elevating the dynamic
without sufficient attention to static restraints (latching)."

Right. IMO, static latching is the survival force you rightly emphasize. I
should have written:

Penetrating all levels: the two evolutionary moral forces of Quality--
1)the Dynamic CREATIVE force and 2) the Static SURVIVAL force.

Pirsig writes in Chap. 11:

"The increase in versatility is directed toward Dynamic Quality. The
increase in power to control hostile forces is directed toward static
quality. Without Dynamic Quality the organism cannot grow. Without
static quality the organism cannot last. Both are needed."

I think survival rightly stays as the main force of the biological level
because in our experience it is most apparent at that level. Obviously it
affects all levels above it.

Here's hoping you find time to post more often . . . and stay immunized
from terrorism!

Platt

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