Bo, Rob, All,
> I don't really believe it's question of any BOMOQ because what is described in
> ZAMM (as the emergence of the SOM) can as easely be interpreted as that of
> intellectual level and voila! SOLAQI! This (ZMM) SOM/Intellect
> interchangeability we have discussed before and I can't recall any solid evidence
> against it....except that 3WD objected. Step forward Dave.
3WD
Part of Pirsig's project, IMHO, was to unite the wisdoms of the East and
West into a single comprehensive vision of reality. Remember Zen?
My objection to Bo's interpretation (SOM is the MoQ intellectual level)
was and is that it suggests that Q-intellect did not evolve anywhere
else in the world until it evolved in the Western world. If you are a
strict literalist this is true. There was no Q-intellect until Pirsig
created it. This is the same position that says there was no
"metaphysics" until the Greeks created it.
"Metaphysics as a discipline goes back to Aristotle, but the name
"metaphysics" goes back to the Aristotelian editors of the first
century BC."
Blackwell's Companion to Metaphysics- p311
While this "metaphysics" is the "name" and "discipline" it is not
"metaphysics" the activity.
" metaphysics in India- Positions and polemics regarding what there is
have been prevalent in India since at least 1500 BC. A hymn of "rg veda"
debates whether this cosmos came out of reality, nothingness, or
neither. Systematic solutions or dissolutions of problems regarding the
external world, self, creation, causation, univerals, space and time,
substance, motion, etc., were already being argued for and against when
Gautama Buddha started on his spritual quest."
Blackwell's Companion to Metaphysics- p319
So at least 1500 years before the development of Greek S/O logic, which
underlies the bulk of Western philosophy that Pirsig later named SOM,
there were, at least according to Blackwell's "metaphysical" activities
in India. But if you accept BOMoQ these were and are not Q-intellectual
activities unless and until the are vetted though the subject and object
logic of Western philosophy and the MoQ. This stands against the very
position with reguards to the mystical experience of Native Americans
that started Pirsig on his quest.
3WD
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