Erin, all..
Erin I hope I'm not boring you, you wrote;
Thu, 17 Jan 2002 16:47:04 -0500
''Hi Davor, I am not really sure about this mechanism thing either I just
wanted to explain what I meant. When I hear about these rat studies with
reinforcement schedules the rats behavior indicate they are sensitive to
time. They "show" their time keeping skills by their responding strongly
when they are scheduled to be reinforced. So our conscious experience of
time is subjective but I am confused at the rat experience of time, whether
it is also subjective or not. I thought possibly that there is a mechanism
in our brain that keeps time- whatever screws up our circadian rhythmns
would be screwing this mechanism up. ''
''Sorry if I confused you even more. I think the mechanism has something to
with light exposure and rhythmns and perhaps some counting type thing and I
am really talking out of my element so I will just stop and let someone more
informed in this area explain it. Make sense, Erin''
Davor:
I haven't heard an expert yet, maybe i'm deaf though or maybe talking about
something else, or from somewhere else than from my mouth. I very much like
this light/rhytm angle you mention, it is not very surprisingly that you
came up with this angle. Time seems to be ''working'' at a very fundamental
level of our existence, Squonk told me that time comes from the word 'tide''
which indicates how time is working at this level, I found a definition of
Aristotle from time too; ''time is numbering change.'' and that is indeed
what it seems to be. Time is dependable from whatever we choose it to relate
it to, so why is it that people did not choose to relate time to sneezing
for instance? Or like you said about Infinity;
''it didn't so it is not the heart rate that is keeping timing but I am just
confused if it is not a mechanism than what it is''
Why not choose the heartrate, it doesn't keep timing, but it could serve as
a reference couldn't it?
This is because it is not very predictable, the most conveniend way to
measure change, is by measuring the most secure and steady changes like
tide, the movement of the earth, a dutch saying is; ''for nothing the sun
rises'', it will rise no matter what. So, for your rat experiment, people
are rats that are reinforced by a steady schedule, the ''force'' of time is
great and this force not only reinforces like with the rats, it is re-re
inforced by habit(get it?), the movement of the earth and the changes that
come with that(not to mention the clock). The fact that time relates to
these secure changes is in my opinion not the most important reason of
people go wrong(I could be wrong obviously) in calling time itself objective
and secure. Our habits are; time in it's traditional conception is one of
the most static patterns that exists, all dynamic patterns are slowly taken
over by habit and become static to make space for new dynamic events. I'm
reading this beautiul book now from Montaigne, he says about habit;
''because the habit is indeed a forcing and treacherous teacher. Without
noticing step by step it founds whitin ourselves the basis of it's mastery,
but when, after this soft and humble start, helped by time(davor:not a
coincedence) it is established it shows it's despotic and furious face, to
which we do not have the freedom anymore to even see it. Time after time we
see her violating the rules of nature. Usus efficacissimus rerum omnium
magister'' Does this make sense?
Ok that was it, i think I should leave time now for what it is I think well
this aspect at least, I'm now working on a post that is about time/space
relations/differences relating to Einstein's special theory of relativity
and the Lorentz- and Galilei transformation I hope that I can get a clear
view on that it will probably turn out to be a too pretentious idea.
Take care, Davor
PS: Does anyone get the M theory or Superstring theory,
does anyone know if it implicates something for philosophy in general and
the MOQ specifically? What would that be?
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