Hey Erin,
Thanks for the response...
ERIN:
> I am finding it hard to go from this topic to your question because it
> involves newspapers in which we have "fact" checkers and is more related
to
> the photo than the statue. Everybody agrees they want their photos and
facts
> in newspapers have historical accuracy. If a statue is suppossed to
> represent the photo then it should be historically accurate but if it is
> supposed to represent the WTC event and are only using the photo for
> inspiration to capture the event that is a different story- the statue
should
> represent the firefighters at that event. As discussed on the show a
> "politically correct" statue would be adding women, asians, and as Bill
Maher
> a gay fireman tickling a hose.
> So I think people are upset because the statue is changed from the photo
just
> to be politically correct but it really depends whether the statue is
supposed
> to represent the photo or the WTC event. If it is the WTC then putting
> whatever races were there is not really taking away from historical
> accuracy...unless you want to go into having a statistically correct
statue.
RICK:
Of course, I agree with all this...(although I'm not much of a Bill
Maher fan) but I really didn't want to get back into the statue thing... I
only referenced that thread because it touched on the notion of 'historical
accuracy'. I realize the question in this thread is different, it's
supposed to be.
Here the problem is supposed to be pitting the Intellectual Quality of
'an historically accurate absurdity' against that of 'an historically
inaccurate, but coherent, thought." Maybe I could have constructed it more
carefully....
ERIN:
> To answer your question about which newspaper has more intellectual
quality I
> am really still trying to fully understand Wim's assertion that meaning is
not
> in the story or reader but in the relationship because I think it applies.
RICK:
Hmmm. "....Quality couldn't be independently related with either the subject
or the object but could be found only in the relationship between the two
with each other. (ZMM p.215)"
...Meaning is not in the story (objective) or in the reader (subjective)
but in the relationship between the two (???).... I don't know what Wim
intended, but this sounds like it's headed towards a 'meaning = Quality'
thing....no?
ERIN:
> If the newspaper is in isolation then paper #2
RICK:
If a newspaper errs in the forrest and there's nobody there to read it... is
it really nonsense? How Zen.
ERIN:
> If we are talking about reading the newspaper #1 = #2 because recognizing
the
> "nonsense" of #1 is as much intellectual quality as recognizing the
"sense" in
> #2.
RICK:
But surely the Intellectual Quality of the message itself must be higher if
it is coherent, right? If you could only read one or the other... which
would you have rather read?
Got to run, I've got work in 6 hours...
thanks,
rick
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