>===== Original Message From George Boeree <cgboeree@ark.ship.edu> =====
KIETH:
what of undivided experience?
non-intellectually mediated experience.
like dancing, motorbike riding, sport etc .
ERIN: Kieth, those activities involve procedural memories so I don't know....
and Lisa, Bart has something to say
>BOEREE
>He is right in a sense -- but it isn't really that important! Of course,
once we are talking about things, they have already become something other
than it was!
>The only fully accurate response to all this is... silence! But how fun
would
>that be? We have to recognize that we are only "indicating" ultimate
realities.
>My perspective is that the whole universe is qualities (or, more precisely,
to
>satisfy Rick, the potentials for qualities-as-we-actually-experience-them --
>qualia, some people call them). These qualities are "sampled" by sentient
>beings. They are actually far more than we ever experience. This is in
contrast to more materialistic perspectives, which like to say that what we
experience is LESS than what is "out there" -- atoms or energies or waves,
etc.Pirsig actually got some of his ideas from a philosopher named Northrup.
>Northrup had a great concept about what the world is like before we start
>interpreting it: the undifferentiated aesthetic matrix. It winds up being
quite similar to the idea of Buddha mind in yogacara Buddhism.
>My background is phenomenological psychology, so, in terms of epistemology, I
>pretty much believe we have to go with our experiences. Even in physics, we
are really only applying mathematical models to the experiences we have in the
lab!It isn't a big jump from that to an ontology that says that our
experiences areperspectives on or "samples" of stuff that is simply larger,
richer experiences!So, my point of view is kind of like an idealism that
doesn't require thepresence of minds -- realistic idealism, I guess I should
call it!
>
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