Hey Rob,
ROB
Perhaps looking for consistency in anything and saying "there is no absolute
truth" in my opinion is ironical.
RICK
Sure... but the problem is that, "there is no absolute truth" is a strawman.
You've responded to a point no one's made.
ROB
Because what are we arguing over other than the truth in Platt's statements.
RICK
The truth in Platt's statements is irrelevant to this argument. We are
arguing over whether Platt's statements agree with Pirsig's statements.
ROB
Reality is real. That's what the scientist was trying to say in my opinion.
RICK
If you'll look back you'll notice that the scientist said physics is
'objectively real'. Objectively real? That's about as SOM as anything gets.
ROB
But how can you say that without making a statement about the nature of
truth?
RICK
In MOQ speak, you would say 'physics is a high-quality Intellectual
Pattern'. Pirsig would consider it a statement of 'truth' in the sense that
physics is logically consistent, 'economical' in explanation and agrees with
experience. But as he expressly tells us, the MOQ does NOT insist on a
single exclusive truth. There might be other intellectual patterns that
agree with experience even more so... or are even more economical.
ROB
The experience of the Laws of Physics are common to everybody. No matter
your philosophy.
RICK
You're right in a sense... the EXPERIENCE is common to everybody. But the
question is whether 'the laws of physics' are ABSOLUTELY (now and for all
time) the best explanation of that experience. Einstein didn't think so...
He thought the best explanation was Relativity. It offers an entirely
distinct explanation of the 'nature of the universe' than the one offered by
Newton. If I'm not mistaken, most Quantum theorists also disagree.
ROB
Interpreting them as the "laws" is philosophy, the objective nature of them
is philosophy.
RICK
Close... Interpreting them as 'laws' is philosophy, interpreting them as
'objective' is SOM philosophy.
ROB
There is something that is "the laws of physics" beyond the objective human
interpretation of them.
RICK
In the MOQ, beyond interpretation, there is only DQ. Any guesses about the
nature of DQ or what lies beyond our experience is just that.... guessing.
And a guess contains an element of doubt.
thanks for your comments Rob
rick
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