Scott
let me clear this up!!
on 2/23/02 12:13 AM, Scott R at jse885@yahoo.com wrote:
> Rod,
>
> I take issue with some of these claims:
>
> --- Rod <ramrod@madasafish.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> Science superseded old religious forms, not because
>> what it says is
>> more true, but because what it says is more
>> powerful.
>
> If you believe that everything reduces to that which
> science can study. In any case, it is new religious
> forms that supersede old religious forms, including
> the new religious form called materialism (which tends
> to be confused with science).
Materialism is not a religion, it is merely a modern cultural tendency,
encouraged by the media, and marketing forces!!-
Science does not limit itself to direct study, the root causes of the need
for organised religions, can be explained by science- i believe
>> Science is powerful, if a scientist says something ,
>> it is understood that
>> he/she will , if required, be able to back up
>> whatever he/she has just said,
>> with proofs.
>
> Not proofs, only "no experiment has invalidated the
> hypothesis so far". Proofs only exist on mathematics.
Scott you may be right here- my mistake, but as mathematics is a branch of
science, I see no conflict.
>> This is why they became static systems, the clock
>> stopped for
>> christianity/judaism 2000 years ago, before this
>> religion was in a state of
>> flux, how many draughts were there of each
>> testament, how many arguments
>> between opposing theological views....it was only
>> when written down as the
>> testaments , did it become this static , dull
>> religion, where if you believe
>> what has been written, you will be saved, no proof
>> needed.
>
> Neo-platonic influences? Arabic influences in the
> Middle Ages? The Reformation? Schleiermacher? Biblical
> criticism in the 19th century? Vatican II? No, I
> wouldn't call it "static" if by that you mean nothing
> has changed.
Not so, why do we still have the ten commandments, I think my use of the
term static is reasonable as the vast majority of teaching in these
religions still relies on texts 2000 years old
>> I don't think eastern religions (actually not
>> religions but philosophies )
>
> They are religions, as they are about salvation,
> though the vocabulary is different.
This I really do take issue woth, they are not religions, they have no
rules only guidelines, no commandments, no absolutes which must be obeyed,
they are not about salvation, they are about living a good life in a good
way
>> such as buddhism and taoism, are static, as every
>> practitioner adds to the
>> sum total, and every dalai lama adds his own
>> insights into the whole of
>> buddhism.. surely these are as dynamic as science.
>
> Echkart, Teresa of Avila, John of the Cross, Jacob
> Boehme (in one way). Aquinas, Luther, Calvin, Wesley
> (in another), have all added to Christianity. As it
> happens, I am more sympathetic to non-theistic
> religions than to theistic, but you've got a very
> restricted picture of the latter.
I have no in depth knowledge of any of these so I guess I can't comment
>> But they are not as powerful as science because they
>> rely on ideas not
>> proofs,
>
> Science is more powerful if what you are interested in
> is reshaping the inorganic and biological (though I
> hope not much). Religion is more powerful at reshaping
> the social and intellectual. Also at trying to keep
> them from being reshaped, to be sure.
Science does not attempt to reshape anything, reorganise- yes
> - Scott
>
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