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Hello Rick, Glenn, Patrick, all
ERIN
Example: Let's say one culture has only two color words. Every color was
either black or white. If you asked a person from this culture whether
they could see a color difference of a blue crayon and a black crayon and they
>> would say no. To them they are both "black". But when given a bunch of
>crayons
>> and forced to divy them up to a certain number of groups you see they do
>> perceptually see the difference by how they group them.
>RICK
>Correction: ...you see they do perceptually see A difference. But not
>necessarily the one we see. A member of your hypothetical culture would
>likely tell you that he sees several shades of black and white because his
>cultural definition of what is real and not real tells him that that's all
>there is. The question at hand is whether the cultural filter works pre or
>post visualization.
ERIN: True but technically what I see as red and you see is red can not be
shown either. We have both agreed on calling a certain shade "red" whether my
shade is the same as yours who knows. So the fact that we are built with the
same makeup of color detection and a Natchez can separate green color chips
from blue color chips based on different shades then to me he can "see" the
difference. To make my point clearer let me give two examples
1) let's say there are three people, you, the Natchez dude, and a person from
your culture who is green-blue colorblind.
I think the only way a person fails to distinguish blue and green shades is if
their biological make-up to detect color is different. Since you could teach a
Natchez dude the difference and not a colorblind it hard for me to say they
don't "see" the difference.
2)There is a gender difference in the number of color words a female and a
male has. Imagine this scene..(I have no idea about these two colors but they
are supposed to be shades of off-white if somebody is familiar with them and
don't think they work in this example I will look up two that do--probably
should have looked in a jcrew mag for ideas).
Martha Stewart: Could you hand me a set of papayawhip colored napkins, they
are right next to the set of lemonchiffon napkins. My guess most people
probably would be able to see the difference of the two napkins but just as
different shades of off-white. The difference doesn't seem important (except
to Martha) to go to the effort for the different shades but that doesn't mean
that I can't "see" the difference.
>RICK
>I'm right there with you. I think the passage seems to allow for both
>interpretations.
>
>So now where do we go?
ERIN: down the dharmakaya brick road
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