Re: MD Seeing the Light

From: Valence (valence10@hotmail.com)
Date: Wed Mar 06 2002 - 01:06:47 GMT


Hey Patrick,
Always great to hear from you....

PATRICK
Ah, I'm a bit annoyed because I wrote this mail just a quarter before. I
accidently sent it to the Virtual Heaven of mails sent nowhere to. But I
still hope I communicated the thing I intented to in the first place.

RICK
Damn gumption traps.

PATRICK
Does this make sense to you?

RICK
I get the first half, but not the second half.

PATRICK
In conventional representational neural networks, one node or neuron
represents a thing. If a dog sees a bunch of hairs, a tail, body, face
and legs and all (which are assumed to be elements of the concept CAT)
then a neuron will fire saying 'this is a CAT', which then can be linked
to representations in memory like 'you can chase CATS'. And then the dog
might want to choose to chase the cat... in cognitive psychology it was
(and still is, actually) a hot topic two decades ago of whether there
exists in the brain of a dog a 'prototype' of a CAT.

RICK
Okay. I think I understand this (except maybe the 'prototype' idea).

PATRICK
That's psychology. Now MoQ.
Maybe the perception of the true color (without names) of things are
close to dynamic quality. A static quality emerges when a node or neuron
will fire saying this is 'green', 'blue', 'bleen', or 'glue'. That is a
static quality which we can use to think and/or do things. Concepts are used
as tools in thought and action.

RICK
    I'm not quite sure what this means. Is this a vote for 'unvisulaized'
or
'unrecognized' (I think you're saying 'unrecognized', but I can read it
either way).
    The part about, "...a static quality which we can use to think
and/or do things. Concepts are used as tools in thought and action...."
sounds like Pragmatism... I like that.

PATRICK
The question is how we divide the field of perception or maybe consciousness
in it's total to do/think with it as static qualities.

RICK
I don't get this...

Could you elaborate some more?

rick

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