Re: MD Dawkins on quantum/mysticism convergence

From: Patrick van den Berg (cirandar@yahoo.com)
Date: Mon Mar 18 2002 - 17:13:21 GMT


Hi to everyone following this thread,

I'm not an expert at either mysticism or quantum mechanics, but I'd like
to state my point of view on the directness of experience and it's
relation to quantum mechanics. I DO think there's a convergence here
between what QM points at, beyond the equations, and the mentioned
directness of experience Wilber and others talk about. I think the
quantum state before reduction, that is, the wave rather than the
particle, to put it mildy, can BETTER explain (in a Popperian sense) the
wholeness and directness of experience than classical, Newtonian science
can.
The undivided wholeness of experience has no existence in classical
science, but potentially has in QM.
Also, the experimental results pointing to so-called paranormal
phenomena are anomalous in classical science, but is not in direct
contradiction with a Quantum Mechanical approach.
And then there's the issue of free will and the ambiguity of thought:
Whereas classical science is about closed systems and there's no
possibility for a will to act on these systems (The total amount of
energy has to remain constant), it's again at least possible in QM, as
Eccles has pointed out.
But I'm talking about a philosophy of mind, not about mysticism. But
what I read here and elsewhere on the subject do points in my opinion to
a language (that is, the one of QM) that is BETTER in DESCRIBING the
mystical state of being than our ordinary language can, at least in some
ways...
One could study QM without being a mystic in any kind of way, but one
could ask what it all means: IMO, it means among other things that there
are many features of experience which are better described by QM than by
classical science. But one has to step beyond the pi's and Planck's
Constant and the complex numbers and whatever to see where QM is
pointing at.

I'm repeating myself. Time to post this contribution.

With regards, Patrick.

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