Hi Squonk:
> Hi Platt,
> Trading is a social activity.
> There is a difference between what people need and what they want.
> In capitalist societies peoples are coerced into feeling they want that
> which they do not need.
Assuming you live in a free market society, what products do you own
that you were forced to acquire against your will?
> Much of that which a consumerists society generates is of low
> value and a dissipation of planetary resources.
What products have you purchased of low value? What planetary
resources are being dissipated?
>That is the free market for
> you; freedom to trash the planet with increasing vigour and resolution that
> what one is doing is moral.
Just how is the planet being trashed?
> An intellectual stance recognises that society can become out of
>control
> and is not inherently free in the sense capitalists feel it is or should
> be. A trading, (no pun intended) of freedom for long term planetary health
> is a sacrifice i feel the MOQ would support?
What makes you think the MOQ would support such a sacrifice?
> Socialist structures are rather like Christianity; great idea but people
> are not that benevolent. In a modified form, socialism is exactly what the
> MOQ would advocate; society ruled by intellect for the benefit of all
> humanity.
Why do you think the MOQ would support socialism ruled by intellect?
How do you define "intellect?"
> What you appear to be surprised by are those who think for themselves and
> do not feel it is necessary or appropriate to quote a static text which
> embodies dynamic value.
It's fine to think for yourself. But to convince anyone else that your views
are worthwhile, you must present evidence. That's the reason for my
questions. Maybe I can learn something from you. Then again, maybe
not. It all depends on the quality of the facts you present to back up your
assertions.
> Fundamental jewish religion is more akin to Buddhism than a religion as
> such, but rather like Catholicism, the initial text has been interpreted in
> a socially reinforcing manner. Much religious teaching is little more than
> a social carrot and stick job. In my view, Jewish culture is pathologically
> static. Individual Jews may be just, or more intellectually valuable as,
> you, i or indeed anyone quite naturally; because intellectual patterns of
> value have little relation to social values.
By using the term "pathological" you accuse the Jewish culture of
having a biological affliction. Evidence please.
P quoting Hitler:
> "Jewish reactionary warmongers in the capitalistic democracies
> started the war."
>
> From Hitler's New Year's Proclamation of 1940 to the German people. I will
> leave it to you, dear reader, to draw your own conclusions.
S:
> Leaving 'dear readers' to draw their own conclusions was very far from
> Hitler's agenda when he made inflammatory speeches.
What's your point?
>I should hope you do
> not feel there are those in this forum who are in the habit of making
> inflammatory speeches, or members who are incapable of interpreting speech
> intellectually and without emotional bias?
Huh? I feel that members of this forum are perfectly capable of
interpreting Hitler's pronouncement on their own without being told
what to think. Incidentally, have you read "Mein Kampf?"
Platt
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