Dear Nargess,
Your post confuses me, you jump from one statement to the other without
really backing it up. For example if you want to accuse people of not being
able to distinguish good and bad you should say why and how. I personally
rather do not get involved in this discussion and especially not in the
traditional good/bad sense, it is not really a conflict between good and bad
it has become far too complicated for that. It is like Hegel said; genuine
tragedies in the worlds are not conflicts between right and wrong but a
conflict between two rights. I mean this in the traditional good/bad sense,
I challenge you and the others to involve MOQ or at least philosophy in this
discussion because that's what this forum is about! Ok good luck and next
time do a spelling check please if you have one on your comp. I think people
get even more confused if you don't.
Take care, Davor
>From: nargess sabeti <arzikass@yahoo.com>
>Reply-To: moq_discuss@moq.org
>To: moq_discuss@moq.org
>Subject: Re: MD Israel, Palestine and the US
>Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 00:16:22 -0700 (PDT)
>
>
> This discussion has become the most interesting one for all of members in
>MOQ .It is an important case,every one talks about it and every one wants
>to give his own lecture about it.SO NICE;this is the common way of life in
>the world.GIVING LECTURE .While we are discussing ,they are being
>killed,there is a great fire of war,there are a pile of corpses and
>refugees;but this is the way of people.they like to discuss,in every major.
>I was surprised by reading some of these speeches.I dont know how the
>people can exchange bad and good in some ways that nobody doubts in it.It
>is the manner of life in this era.You are all educated but you can not see
>bad,nor can see good .this is the advantage of the education in this
>era.MIXING Good and Bad and taking the detemining power away.today world
>had been succeeded in mixing good and bad for people.
>I really can not understand how you can not see the opression on that
>land.how you can accept all beasty behavior and say:"Arabs must go away of
>their own land because their leaders said to them years ago?" Will
>you,yourself, leave your own country and house and property if your leaders
>say?
>Palestinians have lost their children ,their houses and their most precious
>things ;how you can accept them to leave their land and take refuge in the
>other lands?
>I guess you are American.If real Americans(red skins) want to come back and
>get the US from you ,what will you do?(and the funny thing is that you
>getting the US by force.).I just know that the journals and info systems
>could convert liers to truth and vice versa.the great trajedy,killing the
>minds and the strenght of thinking by newspapers and TV and Internet.
>The oppression is always the oppression.No body can give reason for it.I am
>not Anti_jews,but I am not a lier.we need a Man who put every thing in its
>own place,The Man whom was desired by that Tired German philosopher.
>Nargess.
>a.elob1@aol.com wrote: Braisher replies brashly, repeating the anti-Isreal
>epithets-they oppress,
>they kill innocents, they act as bullys against the weak, the poor
>mistreated
>refugees. Unfortunately, he neglects history as do all the whiners who cry
>out for mercy on behalf of those who would send out their children to
>commit
>suicide in a group of the "enemy."
>A few jews gathered in British Palestine where they were promised by the
>British Empire that they would be able to have a place for the survivors of
>the Holocaust to form a member of the world community. That the Arabs spat
>on
>that promise and desire is clear. In numerous wars they have tried to
>destroy
>Israel. They regularly deny the right of the country to exist. Arab hatred
>and opposition continues on a daily basis. The arab strategy has simply
>evolved over the last couple of decades from military attempts to kill all
>the jews or drown the ones they don't kill in the Mediterranean, into
>support
>for the "Palestinians." Now they whine about the refusal of the Israelis to
>allow the Palestinians, most of whom now are of an age to have never lived
>in
>the area that is now Israel, to "return" to live in Israel. Supposedly they
>were run out by the jews who took their lands and homes. Supposedly the
>"Palestinians were removed from their land to allow the jews to form their
>nation. The story that is never revealed in the press is that
>"Palestinians"
>were told to leave their homes, not by the jews but by the leaders of the
>Arab world who warned the "Palestinians" that the jews would kill them and
>steal their property. Oddly, enough some "Palestinians" did stay and have
>lived in Israel successfully for many years. Rather they were manipulated
>by
>the leaders of the Arab world to become refugees and pawns in the games
>played by the implacable kings and sheiks of the desert fiefdoms. Were any
>of
>the displaced offered refuge in any arab country, Jordan, Syria, Lebonan,
>anywhere? No, they were refused succor by their brothers because their
>brothers knew a good political pawn when they had invented one.
>Now that the "Palestinians" have been taught to hate just as their
>brothers contrived for them to do. Now that they hate their lack of
>homeland
>status just as their arab "brothers" knew they would when the "brothers"
>contrived to keep them on the outside of all the countries of the world. (
>Early on in the history of Israel, Ethiopian jews were brought home from
>Ethiopia to Israel because Israel had been founded as a land for all jews.)
>"Palestinians were never invited to become brothers in Jordan. Palestinians
>were never allowed to go to any arab country where they could live a
>peaceful
>productive life. Rather they were pushed up against Israel's borders in
>order
>to create tension and violence to keep the hatred alive. And my, oh my,
>have
>they succeeded!
>Palestinians have been manipulated into becoming the kind of people who
>send their children out with dynamite taped to thier stomachs to kill the
>jews. Mothers lovingly pat their ten year old sons on the head as he leaves
>to walk into a store, a cafe, a military platoon or some other grouping of
>jews and kill him or her self for "the cause."
>So the Israelis lash back to break the backs of the armorers of the
>children. Are they doing any thing more than they have done numerous other
>times when an arab army attacked with the goal of pushing the jews into the
>sea. They fight to same war that has gone on every day since 1948. And just
>as in every other conflict when the Israeli army triumphs and is on the
>verge
>of solving the problem with any given group, the arabs mass their whiners
>to
>cry for help from the nasty jews who are hurting them.
>Sorry Charlie. When the arabs in their never ending, never ending, yes,
>never ending hate driven effort to destroy Israel continue their despicable
>tactics, they must be ready to take their medicine when it comes to them.
>There can be no hysterical sympathy for the deaths of gunmen who send out
>children to kill.
>
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