Hi Rob (is it Duinker?) and Joao.
On 22 Apr 2002 at 20:09, 8rjd1 wrote:
> A new AI paradigm in reality would not be out of the MOQ though.
But discussing the MOQ a new Artificial Intelligence paradigm will
necessarily be ...out of the MOQ ...where else? The SOM approach is
in deep trouble and haven't moved one iota beyond the Türing Test that
Joao indirectly referred to.
> The
> only reason that people would think that they achieved a new level IS
> BECAUSE they are of higher quality than humans.
The Q-development is not confined to people, but as the social level
only has reached the stage where it could support the intellectual level
among the humans .... in that sense we represent the apex and
consequently: A development beyond intellect will necessarily be
human.
> If that was ever
> achieved, that the AI developed consciousness and comprehended the MOQ
> in ways that us, as solitary human beings never could (superconcious
> human beings are another story however), it would still be simply an
> advance in quality.
Maybe I don't fully understand you Rob, but that taken into
consideration I say: Advance in quality, you bet, but ...A.I. developing
consciousness and comprehend the MOQ... God, my jaw feels numb by
repeating this: There will never be any I-am-a-computer "awakening"
because this inner dialogue (I am a human being) is no God's Eye view
rather intellect looking down on existence from its perch.
All this talk about superminds and superconsciousness is just more
SOM nonsense. Computers are already surpassing our capacity by
light-years but still tools for the intellectual level - represented by us.
> Something we can all understand. What they do with
> a complete map of what quality is and the concepts that grow out of a
> complete understanding of quality, that would be the next level (above
> the quality level) if you really wanted to look that far. I personally
> believe that humans themselves are incapable of understanding such
> things but I am happy in progressing society and technology to achieve
> that level. Rob
Whoa! Above the Quality level? Interesting enough if you see the MOQ
as a level. We must discuss that :-)
See you.
Bo
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