Scott,
I guess the main difference is that you see it individual/collective morality
as an either or proposition while I think I agree with Wim
"As a matter of 'fact' reality consists of both individual and collective
morality. My MoQ doesn't point to only one of the two. "
Show me why I can't have my cake and eat it too.
Erin
===== Original Message From moq_discuss@moq.org =====
>Hi Erin, all,
>
>--- enoonan <enoonan@kent.edu> wrote:
>> How do YOU suggest protecting the
>> individual and the environment the individual is in.
>>
>
>By environment, I hope you mean the social. JFK said,
>"The boat rises with the tide." While he was
>specifically referring to economies, I think that it
>is a good analogy for what we are talking about here.
>In ZMM Pirsig talked about how it starts with what you
>can do here and now, to/for yourself to begin to
>improve (things). I think that we have to work on
>ourselves first - the social will follow.
>
>IMMHO, individuals tend to be instinctively protective
>towards their environment anyway. It's just that the
>environment that we work on tends to be immediate.
>The difference in what you and I are talking about,
>then, is in the global/local focus. As we, as
>individuals, improve, seek quality, etc., our
>immediate environments will tend to improve as well
>(i.e., the rising tide). I think that is something
>real to shoot for - the improvement of our immediate
>environment. There is a Jewish saying that goes
>something like this, "If you have saved one person, it
>is as though you have saved the world." I believe
>that comes from the Talmud.
>
>You seem to be seeking a global (i.e., collective)
>solution that works top down (Pirsig's imagery). MoQ
>says, if I understand what Pirsig is saying, that we
>should instead be working from the bottom up. The
>collectivist/global solution will just get us into
>trouble.
>
>I feel like I'm not quite articulating it as well as I
>could.. I'll leave it for now as something to think
>about.
>
>Scott L Berry
>
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