In a message dated 5/4/02 11:59:38 AM GMT Daylight Time,
beasley@austarnet.com.au writes:
<< I find the main problem with Pirsig
is the assumption that quality is immediately accessible, or worse, knowable
through intellect, while the mystic recognises the huge task involved in
simply returning to immediate awareness of what is. This, it seems to me, is
the real area of debate. >>
Hello John,
Pirsig's metaphysics is what philosophers may term speculative metaphysics.
In this regard, the speculation is that experience emerges from quality.
In 'lived' experience one does not speculate, and this is what Pirsig is
really about.
When you suggest Pirsig's position to be that:
"quality is immediately accessible, or worse, knowable through intellect..."
i would suggest that you consider this to be Pirsig's speculative metaphysics.
In Pirsig's lived experience, which you and i are not privy to, Pirsig
attempts to convey a sense of immediate awareness.
If you, I or anyone wishes to discuss immediate awareness, then we are going
to 'immediately' (!) lapse into our intellectual, social, and biological
constraints.
I have said too much already!? ;)
All the best,
Squonk.
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