Hi Bo & all,
JOAO
>> 1.
>> Sometimes an idea (intellectual level) can transform the social
>> level in a way that makes it "of less quality" and more static. The
>> victory of the social level value would have been better (of higher
>> quality). Right?
BO
> Wrong in my opinion! Ideas as intellectual patterns is problematic. For
> example, the "idea" to introduce torture of prisoners isn't intellectual
> value at all, but very much a social such. It may sound strange to call
> this a value, but the general social "urge" is for the individuals to
> conform, and from that point of view no treatment is too severe for
> dissenters.
JOAO
I am questioning the whole of the statement (this came to me after Sam's
initial post):
"It is moral for an idea to kill a society" (Lila)
I was trying to establish its boundaries, but still couln't make it.
Thinking of an idea like "torture of prisioners.." as social value that
shouldn't prevail over intellectual value may be helpful. I was thinking of
ideas as intellectual patterns that acted upon intellectual and social
patterns.
JOAO
>> The idea that we are in a war against terror has transformed the
>> social level, decreasing its quality and making it more static. Don't you
>> agree?
BO
> The social LEVEL can't be transformed, it's as stable as the bed-rock
> itself, but the idea that we are at war has shifted Western focus in a
> more social direction. This shift may be called a decrease of quality as
> it is a move to a lower static latch.
JOAO
"Be the change that you want to see in the world" - Gandhi
He seems to think otherwise ;)
Maybe we are saying the same thing. I meant the social static patterns (that
changed significantly after sept11 - the decreasing freedom of expression
and the advance of the far-right in Europe worry me).
Thanks for your comments,
Joao
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