In a message dated 5/23/02 12:57:14 AM GMT Daylight Time,
valence10@hotmail.com writes:
<< Subj: Re: MD Schematic.
Date: 5/23/02 12:57:14 AM GMT Daylight Time
From: valence10@hotmail.com (Valence)
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Hey Squonk, Joao, all,
I love that you've brought this up. I had the same thought some years
back. And I thought of the same 'problem' that Joao pointed out. I was
also uncomfortable with the thought that Classic Quality would be unable to
'produce' Romantic Quality (i.e. the beauty in creative 'classical' problem
solving --- math, science, logic, philosophy, etc).
JOAO
i guess the creation of new intellectual patterns (through classic analysis)
can produce romantic quality and re-start the process. what do you think?
RICK
I think you may be right in a sense. Two pages after the schematic
hierarchy, Pirsig tells us, "Quality is the continuing stimulus which our
environment puts upon us to create the world in which we live (ZMM p 225 in
my edition)." If classical analysis produces new patterns of reality, those
patterns become a part the environment. And the environment is the source
of the flow.
But instead of saying that "Classic Quality can produce Romantic
Quality", maybe it would be more accurate to say that "Classic Quality can
reflect Romantic Quality." Or to put it negatively, "Classic Quality can
obstruct appreciation of Romantic Quality." Thus, the romantic mind that
looks at the schematic of a motorcycle and sees just a bunch of lines and
numbers can't see the beauty in the design because the failure to understand
what the schematic means classically chokes of the Romantic beauty beneath
it. He can't see the romantic beauty that the classical representations
reflect. The classical mind doesn't see some newly produced "classical
beauty", rather, the understanding of things classical lets the underlying
romantic beauty be reflected.
how's that?
rick
>>
Hello Rick, Joao, Sam and all,
Reflection?
Sounds interesting.
Romantic quality appears to be more fundamental than Classic quality? Way
before Classic quality got a foot hold Romantic quality may have been far
more relevant to people's lives?
This would not make them any less intelligent than we are looking back at
them with a more developed Classic point of view, but their look at us would
be interesting?
Also, Classic quality in the rearranged schematic points to 21st century self
identity as being largely constructed from classic quality?
Is the 21st century western classic self identity ugly because it is less
fundamental than one that existed before classic quality developed?
Did classic quality emerge from an appreciation of music, ratio, harmony,
proportion, mathematics?
Keep it going...
Squonk.
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