In a message dated 5/23/02 1:46:55 AM GMT Daylight Time,
gershomdreamer@yahoo.com writes:
<< Subj: Re: MD Schematic.
Date: 5/23/02 1:46:55 AM GMT Daylight Time
From: gershomdreamer@yahoo.com (Gary Jaron)
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Hi all,
I actually wrote an essay, which will be posted next
week, on this, and other topics. I had posted an
earlier version of the essay in an email entitled
"what's wrong with this picture" the problem with
that email version is all the formating of my
maps/diagrams got stripped away. so the posted essay
will have the correct formatting. Pirsig's diagrams
do not match the description of how quality works on
that very same page! His map is wrong, even according
to him! All will be made clear in next week's
exciting essay!
Ps. In the next part of my essay I will be discussing
LILA. I have thought of using a 4 d grid to map
reality with time as one of the quaurdants. Those
everything would be mapped on these four axis:
time: past-present-future
Static - Dynamic Quality
Internal - External
Parts/Collective - Wholes/Individual
my ongoing essay will make all this clearer.
gary jaron
--- SQUONKSTAIL@aol.com wrote:
> Hello MOQers...
>
> I have been thinking about a schematic that appears
> in ZMM p. 252 in my
> edition.
> The schematic presents Quality as divided into
> Romantic and Classic quality.
> Classic quality is then subdivided into Mind and
> Matter.
>
> How does anyone feel about rearranging this
> schematic so that the first box,
> Quality produces Romantic quality, which then
> produces Classic quality in a
> string rather than dualism?
> Mind/matter concept would then emerge from Romantic
> quality via Classic
> analysis.
> Classic quality would then emerge from Romantic
> quality and the mind/matter
> dualism of Descartes would have an inherent Romantic
> appeal.
>
> The quality event would then be a Romantic event in
> that it would be initialy
> felt as beauty.
> The analysis of beauty would then be Classical.
> Classical bypassing of beauty in logic is never the
> case, as even logic has a
> Romantic appeal.
>
> I suggest this because if we string rather than
> divide quality in this way,
> Time becomes a function of that which creates the
> reality of the string
> itself. i.e. Dynamic quality as developed in Lila.
> Therefore, Time is dynamic quality and an analysis
> of it is a Classic concept
> with Romantic appeal.
>
> Over to yooz...
> Squonk. >>
Hi Gary,
I have not read your posting, "what's wrong with this picture".
I have an aversion to postings that use terms such as 'wrong' because i
prefer 'better' or 'worse' rather than evaluations of truth. (Will now go
back and read them!)
Having dabbled with diagrammatic representations of the MOQ myself, i
sympathise with your wish to present Pirsig in ways other than rhetorical.
Its not an easy task!
The main problem i found with diagrams is a lack of dynamic.
Diagrams can be incredibly static don't you feel? And they appeal to the
classical in many people?
I have been thinking about time as DQ. DQ motivates reality and in this sense
any change is 'caused' by DQ. Static representations of this may be discrete
linear measurements of the temporal.
Looking foreword to reading your essay...
All the best,
Squonk.
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