hiya bo,
bo said:
>As I see it such logical games aren't necessarily intellectual patterns
>(the way I see q-intellect that is) We know that ancient man used
>language, constructed calendars (possibly amused themselves with
>word games), and made up complicated theories of their origin and
>destiny?
>
>If we take the course that this is q-intellect the social level shrinks
>into
>an insignificant small slot between biology and intellect that we may as
>well return to SOM's "mind from brain" postulate. Look Sriram, it is the
>SOCIAL reality which is MOQ's show-case. Matter, Life and Intellect
>can easily be compared to the SOM variants, but Society - as a reality
>of its own - is truly unique, and it is here that you and so many go wrong
>by equating "thinking" with q-intellect.
Elliot:
And as i see it, if you make having "complicated theories of their origin
and destiny" social, then what is intellectual? certainly not making a
metaphysics. You my friend shrink the intellectual level to a thin layer
above the social. A social level beneath an intellectual level that is
"thinking" is not a small level. rather it exsisted before intellect for
thousands of years rather than appearing at the same moment as intellect.
It has shaped the evolution of species so much that individual ants have no
means for reproduction and vampire bats have large brains just for the
calulation of social order decisions (such as which young besides their own
to share food with). I dont understand saying thinking exsisted before
intellect because thinking is the manipulation of symbols and Pirsig says
the manipulation of symbols is q-intellect. The truth of a theory is based
partially on its eloquence, so please tell us what you think the intel level
is. My idea of the social and the intel are easily definable and easy to
give examples of. A social level that can exsist as one person in a
hermatige formulating "complicated theories of his origins" and an
intellectual level is something other than thinking and manipulstion of
symbols sounds overly complex.
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