--- elliot hallmark <onoffononoffon@hotmail.com>
wrote: > Hi andre (sorry i cant get the accent on my
> computer),
>
>
> > >
> > > Elliot:
> > > ...My ideal society involves labor where
> individuals
> > >
> > > are free to achieve peace of mind in the things
> they
> > > produce and thus enjoy
> > > their work more.
> >
> >Hiya Elliot
> >
> >Is this quality rhetoric :o) ???
> >
> >First, I'm not sure about this "labour" thing ...
> what
> >about the idle rich? What about people who want
> >nothing to do with society ... dreamers and
> whatnots?
> >What about people, for people's sake ... like pets?
> Is
> >there unemployment? You say "achieve peace of
> mind".
> >We are born with peace of mind. Your ideal implies
> we
> >lose it and have to (re)achieve it.
> >
> >respect
> >André
>
> And elliot replies:
> oh the idle rich. they dont work because they have
> enough things to occupy
> themselves through something other than socially
> productive work, this
> situation couldn't possibly exsist in the society in
> question. Who would
> help someone build a 42 acre mansion when they
> themselves live in a much
> humbler home, who would give them all the excess the
> rich require to be rich
> if the rich have nothing in return to give (money,
> mind you, does no longer
> exsist).
>
> Dreamers are important to society. where would we
> be without those who
> really could just sit down and dream up
> revolutionary ideas. Newton sat
> locked in his room for several months to develope
> calculus and his laws of
> motion, hell, i wouldnt want to do that but im glad
> someone does. not
> everyone needs to be producing material goods
> because technology makes each
> man much more productive.
>
> And peace of mind? I'm refering to Pirsigs talks in
> ZAMM about achieving
> peace of mind while working on a motor cycle or
> building a barbeque pit (i
> dont have my copy right here or id give you the
> pages, when the narrator
> meets his friend in montana). Buddhists say we do
> loose our peace of mind
> and must stive every moment to keep it, reachieve
> it. You really think
> everyone is contented all the time, that no one
> lacks peace of mind?
>
> Elliot
>
I agree. One question. I think you will like it.
What is the difference between you, and someone who
shares your view, in regard to "the view"?
I say nothing.
I feel your rhetoric has more quality if you, instead
of writing ...
> Buddhists say we do
> loose our peace of mind
> and must stive every moment to keep it.
I say we do loose our peace of mind and must strive
every moment to keep it.
... or even better ... depersonalise it
We do loose peace of mind and must strive every moment
to keep it.
... better still ... use the passive form ...
Peace of mind is lost and we must strive every moment
to keep it.
Lesson in Quality Rhetoric
André
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